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first cycle 10 week test 250 mg per week

Hi I have done a ton of research on everything related to AAS for a couple years actually. I have been saving 10 ml of 250 mg/ml test e that I got from a friend a while ago for later use. Well, I feel that I am now ready to actually do it and I have spent tons of time on different boards reading all about peoples cycles, experiences, and opinions on what all the ancillaries, etc.

I know of a place to get HCG but I am unsure if I actually want to risk it since I have everything I need otherwise. I am probably just going to do this one cycle and then not do another for many years. I just want to get a little 10 to 15 pound boost in muscle/strength and then continue training naturally for a while.

I have done a lot of reading and I have some RPN havoc that I am going to use for the first 4 weeks, at 30 mg per day, and do 2 shots of test e a week, at 125 mg per shot to keep levels stable. My main question is how necessary do you guys think it is to run HCG on cycle to maintain my gains afterwards? At a low dose of 250 mg/week, for only 10 weeks, do I really need to spend the money and effort to use the HCG? I also plan on using sustain alpha along with the toremifene to help with the PCT. Also what are you opinions on using an AI, if I do use one I plan on using aromasin, while on? Do you think it will be necessary to use an AI on such a low dose of test?
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Before we can help you out further,what's your status? age? weigth? ETC..?
I think 250mgs of test per week might be low for you, if your still young. You'll be stopping your own test production, just to replace with same amount
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I typically advise 400-500mg per week as well.
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I have read that body naturally only makes about 50 mg a week at most naturally, so 250 is 5 times more than a high level of natural test.. I honestly doubt I am at a high normal level anyway. I have lifted for about 3.5 years now and put on 65 pounds so far. I am 5'8 155 currently.. I started off at 105 pounds and bulked up to 170, now I am just about done doing a cut and am probably around 9 or 10% bf. So I am going to naturally gain for the rest of the summer, and then planned on doing the cycle at the end of the summer. My strength increases have slowed down quite a bit and so I want to boost it up some and also add some size too.

I think 250 mg is fine I don't want to risk too many sides and think keeping it low especially at my body weight would be fine. Plus I already have enough to do this much, but don't know anyone personally anymore to get extra.. I do know plenty of sources including domestic but I don't want to really risk obtaining it that way. Really though I am going to 98% sure do the cycle, I just would like to know what you guys think of needing hcg at a dose like that, that is the main concern I have, basically just for recovery.. Do you think I can recover and keep most gains without using the hcg or not? Thanks for any input.
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I think 250 mg is fine .
You are wasting your time .
I do more than that for TRT .

hcg works to get things back to normal .
However.....
You should do the hcg 500iu eod for two weeks starting right after the last shot of test. At the conclusion of two weeks you should start the clomid and nolvadex. you always do the hcg prior to pct with the clomid since hcg will stimulate test production that will suppress your natural test. Cycle followed by HCG for two weeks than the pct with clomid and nolvadex.


If you can get HCG deliver to you , you can get another bottle of test as well.

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What if instead I did a shorter cycle then. I could do ~350 mg per week for 7 weeks, or ~415 mg per week for 6 weeks. This could also possibly assist with not needing the hcg since I wouldn't be shutdown for so long? Plus since the ester is test e, the test would still be elevated for a little more than 2 weeks after the last pin, so essentially it would really be a 9 week cycle before I started PCT (Or 8 if I only did 6 weeks)..
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Actually I might as well just do the hcg on cycle. I just went and read an old article I had saved that someone had written up with information from studies done.. And people who didn't do it did not recover certain biomarkers that indicate natural test production even after a low dose 6 week cycle. It also talks about how leydig cells only make up 10% of the testicular mass, so visually, just because you think you're balls don't look atrophied, does not mean that their ability to secrete test hasn't been reduced by as much as 98%. And it also talks about how by allowing them to desensitize, it can permanently lower your body's ability to secrete test naturally forever. So I guess I will just spend the extra money to get the HCG and use it starting 7 days after starting cycle, 250 iu e4d.

Now I have to also consider doing the injections over a 7 or 8 week period, of doses at 350 mg week or 415 mg per week, respectively. Now that I think about it, doing 350 for 8 or 415 for 7 does seem like a very good thing to consider.. since it will take 2 weeks after the last week to let the test clear, so I will still be making gains.. hmm.. decisions, decisions lol
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What if instead I did a shorter cycle then. I could do ~350 mg per week for 7 weeks, or ~415 mg per week for 6 weeks. This could also possibly assist with not needing the hcg since I wouldn't be shutdown for so long? Plus since the ester is test e, the test would still be elevated for a little more than 2 weeks after the last pin, so essentially it would really be a 9 week cycle before I started PCT (Or 8 if I only did 6 weeks)..
If you going to do a short cycle of test. It has to be with Prop ester. Have to inject 50-100mgs everyday-every other day (ED -EOD). If you would use a long ester it wouldnt really start showing it's self till 4-5 weeks mark. So that would be pointless. It needs time to build up in your system.
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Honestly bro, I've NEVER used HCG and have no plan to ever use it. I've done cycles since 2002 and I'm 43 now....but the caveat to that is that everyone is different! I never get shut down or have my balls shrink or any negative sides... Back when I started, no one ever heard of HCG and we sure did fine! I do agree though that you should do 400-500mg/week...if you are going to do something illegal and stick yourself with a needle...why not get the best results you can out of it? Just my opinion....

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How necessary do you guys think an AI would be on cycle if I am doing a dose of 250 to 350 mg per week? I will almost certainly get some aromasin just to have on hand in case of emergency, but otherwise do you think I will bloat that much off a lower dose? maybe I should do just like 5 mg of aromasin eod or something?
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