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Old 12-11-2018, 11:21 AM
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I just got new insurance yesterday. I save a lot of money but the broker tells me. "Sorry you make too much money, it will cost you more because we have to cover the costs of lower income premiums for others" Gotta love socialism.
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I knew it, Pen is attempting to start the apocalypse.

Single payer does not work Pen. Take the profits out of medicine and you end up with service like Canada and the UK.
Take MRI machines. The gov buys them, pays the docs and staffs. Well there are 3 times as many MRI machines in the USA as Canada.

So it takes say 5 days to get in to get a MRI in the USA right? Well the wait time is not linear so you do not multiply by 3 because of the shortage more critical patients get expedited treatment. So you may wait 3-5 months depending on where you live. Also may have to travel hundreds of miles to get your MRI.

Same with medicine. The USA has more pharmaceutical innovation than any other country and EXPONENTIALLY more than Canada or the UK. Why? profits. Oh, USA is good for almost 60% of this development in the world...........THE WORLD!

Same with docs. A single payer system removes profit from being a doctor by significantly capping profits. This = less doctors. And less high quality doctors.

Oh, not to mention the cost to you and I in added taxes.

Take away profits and there is no incentive to make create new pharmaceuticals to combat disease.

Nothing but love for ya Pen. My wife was the business office manager for a huge OB/GYN for almost 20 years and is now doing med coding so she sees cost and treatments. Single payer is bad for the country and bad for me and my family IMO.

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Uh oh, I've stepped in it now! Lol.

I'm a bit of a bleeding heart on this topic. I know too many people with no coverage at all. And Obamacare was nothing but smoke and mirrors. Even worse than that. My son was forced to buy Obamacare for 200$ a month and what did he get for that? A $6000 decuctible! WTF? If he had $6000, he probly wouldn't need insurance would he?

I'm not tied into any particular way of thinking. I believe in whatever works. What we have currently doesn't work for everyone. The purpose of government is to promote the general welfare of people that can't do it by themselves. What's the point of a 750 billion per year military if thousands of people are dying because of no medical care? 3000 people died in the twin towers and we spent trillions going to Iraq. Many thousands more die per year due to inadequate medical coverage. Some of the poorest nations on earth have decent medical benefits for their citizens. Anyway, not trying to start a war of opinions here, I just think we can and SHOULD do better. However that happens, I'm open to ANY ideas that work.
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Well guys; in theory I live in the most taxed places in North America and top 10 in the world

I got free healthcare and I never had horror story like you guys hear all the time; if you are living around a city; you are fine. My mother was sick, I took her out of the care center and I had 5 times a day nurses and staff, they brought an electronic air bed, a lift, all the thing she needs, diapers, cleaning ladies for the room she was using. cost: NADA!!!

Now, I was offered a job in NYC last year, and I realized something; some states in the US pay more taxes than I do and what do they get in return. Nothing, absolutely nothing

for my surgery I had a scan, time to wait, 5 days
request for an appointment for my endo last wednesday, got it in a week
my doctor, same day

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