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Old 02-16-2019, 09:16 AM
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Just a thought. Once you get to your forever home if you stay in Texas I would consider a wind turbine. I mean if they are quoting your $34,000 for a solar grid you might even save money with a wind turbine. The problem is the space. However, if you have some land it should not be a problem.

Yeah, never even thought about that. They call Chicago the windy city but N Texas is the 5th windiest place in the USA. Oklahoma City is #2 and I would be somewhere between those two in my forever home.

Hell Dallas beat out Chicago, "The windy city" by 7 cities.

Just in my cursory research it is still really expensive. But cost per kw/hr is about .03 cents per cheaper than solar. Solar has zero moving parts so maybe it is less likely to break?

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...urbine+failure

https://www.whatitcosts.com/resident...e-cost-prices/
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Yeah, never even thought about that. They call Chicago the windy city but N Texas is the 5th windiest place in the USA. Oklahoma City is #2 and I would be somewhere between those two in my forever home.

Hell Dallas beat out Chicago, "The windy city" by 7 cities.

Just in my cursory research it is still really expensive. But cost per kw/hr is about .03 cents per cheaper than solar. Solar has zero moving parts so maybe it is less likely to break?

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...urbine+failure

https://www.whatitcosts.com/resident...e-cost-prices/
That's because it's called the "windy city" because of politicians running their mouths, not the actual wind.
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Yeah, never even thought about that. They call Chicago the windy city but N Texas is the 5th windiest place in the USA. Oklahoma City is #2 and I would be somewhere between those two in my forever home.

Hell Dallas beat out Chicago, "The windy city" by 7 cities.

Just in my cursory research it is still really expensive. But cost per kw/hr is about .03 cents per cheaper than solar. Solar has zero moving parts so maybe it is less likely to break?

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...urbine+failure

https://www.whatitcosts.com/resident...e-cost-prices/
Texas produces more wind energy than all other states, combined. The levelized cost of land based wind energy has now reached the same price as coal according to the EIA 2018 Energy Outlook Report.
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Texas produces more wind energy than all other states, combined. The levelized cost of land based wind energy has now reached the same price as coal according to the EIA 2018 Energy Outlook Report.
WOW! amazing facts right there. We drive through a wind farm on our way to visit my folks. they are always turning regardless of zero wind at ground level.
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Most panels have a 1% annual degradation.

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/51664.pdf

I work for a large utility in the state I live in and I am their lead designer for solar. I wasn't totally sold on it until I went and saw old installations from the 70 and 80s and the modules are still producing 85% or their name plate rating. These panels were all browned out and did not look pretty, but still functioning at a high rate.

The Utilities across the country are adopting solar because first, the install costs are low. The systems outside of dry dusting states of the west are maintenance free and the O&M cost are 80%+ lower than Wind, Gas generation, coal and nuclear. Plus once the system is installed and commissioned it does not need to be maned. The monitoring systems alert of any issues.

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Install costs are low?

How much did the system cost that you put on your house?

No one has addressed my point that inverters don't last.

The SW has dust, dirt and heat issues, the rest of the US has cloud cover issues.

1% degradation per year is under laboratory conditions.

The panels are hazardous waste once depleted, I never see that cost factored in? I expect the batteries will be eventually too. Lawmakers are giving them temporary pass.

Peak solar production does not occur simultaneously as peak consumption and storing power is extremely inefficient.

I would be the first person to go off grid if it actually worked. I have been an environmental contractor for 26 years. I am not convinced.
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Install costs are low?

How much did the system cost that you put on your house?

No one has addressed my point that inverters don't last.
I thought we did mention that. The system I was looking at has 100% replacement on panels and inverters for 25 years. Sales guy even told me they go out every year or two. I know I mentioned the degradation of the panels.

Certainly not perfect. But what other choices are there?
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