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Old 10-24-2018, 06:33 AM
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You want massive firepower in a bullpup design?

Here ya go, 13#, 28" long, and 12 ga shotty with a 15 rounds of capacity. Again it is a bullpup and made by IWI so you know it is top notch quality. (average AR is about 32" on the short side with the stock retracted and 37" with it out and a long flash hider. I cannot get a good sight picture with the stock retracted so it is always out.)

Anyway this is cool.

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It's cool, but it's got too much KSG-esque range ninja feel to it.
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Looks like something Ripley would carry in Aliens. I like. Is it a class 3?
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I don't believe so. The barrel is 18.5."
It does look very cool. Tavor brings a little bit of legitimacy to it as well.
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Pen, if you have $1400, it can be yours. The KSG is cool but it is not IWI Tavor AND while the KSG is shorter, it is a pump. the Tavor is semi auto. WAY faster follow up shots. I have a kel tek P3AT and had a pF9.

They are like a ford base model mustang vs a Lamborghini for the IWI.

High quality semi auto shotty is the way to go I feel.
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You missed me there Jipped. I meant ksg-esque as in every keyboard warrior showing up to the range in full kit, should have one of these. It is way to hip and snazzy looking.

My brother has a KSG, and its garbage. The only comparison I am making is the range ninja look. Way too hip for me to ever take one out of my truck at the range. lol

For crying out loud, I got ridiculed by an instructor for my 14" 870 with a pistol brace....and it's actually pretty widely accepted.
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I have the KSG and I can tell you one thing for sure.... it will beat the shit out of you. 14 rounds is more than enough to make you hurt. That thing kicks like a mule.

It’s the same issue I have with the AK platform. The weapon is too small for my frame and it’s very hard to get a good cheek weld. Kicks like a mule...

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Yikes. I'd love to have it but 1400$ is out of my league right now. I can barely afford rocks for my slingshot... Lol.
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I paid 700 for my KSG I think. I wasn’t really looking for it but I saw it at a gun show and bought it on a whim. It takes some getting used to as the stroke is reduced and makes it tough for big guys to get used to I think.


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Got ya swellin. 870 tried and true but give me a legit stock on any shotty.

para, I ditched the OO buck in the hot loads in favor of the tactical buck used by law enforcement. Back in my first city job we carried shotguns. We qualified with the police and used regular 2 3/4 full load shells. They beat us up. We ran out and the range master busted out a couple boxes from the police's stash and they hit soft like a kitten comparatively. about 1/2 the felt recoil.

Now the downside, they have the same FPS as the full loads but fewer pellets and less slower burning powder. WAY better for tactical situation even though fewer pellets. One can stay on target WAY better for follow up shots and not end up with a blue shoulder.

I do not know how they would do in an auto loader though. if adjustable I am sure they are fine. My raptor is not so I have to use heavy loads which SUCKS! My go to shotty is a CZ 612 home defense pump.
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