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Old 01-11-2011, 12:53 PM
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OK so far so good. Did 4 IUs of slin today with no problems so I'll bump it up to 6 tomorrow.

One question though. Since I'm getting flak from my daughter about the egg whites in the last shake.

I know in the past most bodybuilders drank raw eggs but according to my daughter who is studing nutrition, raw egg whites is no good for you and something about eating raw egg white on a daily basis depletes your body of certain vitamins and minerals.

She says if your going to eat raw eggs you should eat the egg yolks one day and egg whites the next and rotate to avoid depleteing your body of the vitamins and minerals.

Normally I would try and research this but I really don't have the time so I figured maybe you guys could chime in and I could figure this shit out.

My only concern with raw eggs obviously is getting samonella (however its spelled).

So what do you guys think?
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Ok, so after talking to some professional and elite bodybuilders, I have learned quite a bit about what a well known professional trainer is having these bodybuilders to do to obtain the extreme amounts of weight they have been added to their bodies. It's simply taking their insulin pre-workout, combined with 3 "shakes". I looked at this Insulin protocol, and the ingredients in the shakes, and designed my own Insulin Protacol to better suit my goals and routine. I use better quality of ingredients in my shakes, and added my HGH pre-workout, and igf-1lr3 post workout as well.

Now, the theory behind this insulin protocol is, "Why break the body down, only to rebuild it? When you can simply keep adding onto the Body!"

So basically, by forcing the carbohydrates and Essential Amino Acids into your muscles while you train, the muscle tissue is not breaking down in the same manner that they normally would. It is actually being both protected and forced to grow at the same time. I have not done too much research behind the theory, but it sure sounded good to me, based on what I know about enhancing drugs and supplementation. I prefer trying things out myself, and going by results. Well, the results were spectacular.

Before I begin, I want to say that this typed out protocol is just a base. It is to give you a base to work from/with. Everybody is different. Some people will need more or less carbs and amino acids. This is based on the amount of insulin that they are using and how their bodies react. This is why I gave a range for the supplements and insulin doses. You will need to adjust it based on how you react. For the carbohydrates, always start high, and lower it accordingly, once you get the feel of it.

We start off by taking our HGH, and give it a few minutes to get circulating, before we add our insulin. The idea behind this, is to make sure that the HGH passes the liver while we have a substantial amount of insulin in the body. This is how we produce large IGF-1 spikes. After the workout, we go home and take our IGF-1LR3. We are taking this to increase our insulin sensitivity, and to help use up any of those receptors that we have not filled. I could go more into detail, but if you are using this protocol, you should already know all about the drugs, and should be able to put it together yourself.

- -30 min prior to workout: Take 10iu HGH subq

- -15 min prior to workout: Take 6-16iu Novalog subq

- -10 min prior to workout: Drink shake #1

- -After every working set: Sip on shake #2, and finish by end of workout

- -Go home

- -Take 100mcg of the IGF-1lr3 (for it's insulin sensitizing effects)

- -Take down shake #3

- -Done..now you are huge


Ok, now what is in the shakes...

Shake 1: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro, 40-60g Low DE Maltodextrin, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, 200mg Caffeine (or pre-workout powdered mix of choice in place of caffeine)

Shake 2: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro, 50-100g Dextrose, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

Shake 3: 2 cups pasteurized egg whites, 1 cup dry oats, 1 banana or 1 cup blueberries (I prefer them to be frozen), splenda or stevia

*There is no need for a supplemented post workout shake because your glycogen will not be depleted, and you will have been ingesting aminos the whole time too. So dense whole food calories with low fat content, are going to be the best option here. So we throw it in a blender and take it down.

Now, I would like to advise you cheap-skates, not to go out and buy the cheapest ingredients that you can find. Please pick quality supplements. It does and will make a difference. Spend the extra 2$ and buy some quality shit, or your results may be skewed. Thinks about it this way: Your body is a Lamborghini. Would you fill your tank with low grade octane from Costco? No, of course not, it would run like shit. So use quality supplements, not bulk junk crap, and your results will be that much better!

Supplement idea for those of you who need to be pointed in the right direction:

EAA's: Champion Nutrition makes a good EAA product that has creatine in it, and also one that has caffeine too. It's called Amino Shooter. There are 3 versions. None are a proprietary blend, and they are made with pharmacy grade aminos.

PeptoPro: This can be used in place of the EAA's. It is a high quality peptide/EAA product made from hydrolyzed casein. Different companies buy PeptoPro and flavor it. One brand I have tried that is flavored is MAP by Primordial Performance.

Low DE Maltodextrin: This means Low Dextrose Equivalency. The lower the equivalence, the more complex of a chain it is, and the slower it will break down into a sugar. A couple good ones are Carb Complex by Nutek, and Cytocarb 2 by Cytosport. If corn maltodextrins give you stomach problems, then other water soluble carbohydrates like Karbolyn can work. They just tend to be expensive, and do the same exact thing. Some people that have used this protocol with success, have actually used dextrose in place of the maltodextrin due to stomach problems.

Dextrose: Yes, you can find this anywhere, but I prefer AST's DGC because it also contains vitamins.

Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: Well, the name says it all. Any brand that uses Creapure as the source of their creatine monohydrate, should be just fine. I use Bioplex.

*Do not use cheap starch carbs, like waxy maize, in the shakes. The carbs need to be water soluble and easily digested. By keeping them soluble, they help pull the aminos in.

I decided to throw this protocol together after I had my leg surgery, in hopes of gaining some abnormal amounts of muscle back that I had lost. I can tell you that I did, and this protocol works better than any protocol I have ever used. I started off at 204 - 205lb, and ended up at 234 after 4-5 weeks! I was taking anabolics on the side, but I guarantee that amount of insane weight, that fast, was not from the long estered steroids I was taking. I literally filled out instantly. When I dropped the insulin, I only lost a few pounds of water, and retained most, if not all, of my strength. So the gains were very solid, and not just a bunch of glycogen storage.

I do not want to post this on the open forums because there are too many idiot kids out there that will attempt this protocol in hopes of becoming an instant monster (which wont happen for them), and they will mess it up somehow. Maybe by being stupid, maybe by cutting corners, maybe by using cheap ingredients. Who knows? I don't need people hurting themselves, or not having good results, and them coming back and complaining. Even though they were the ones cutting corners!

So, there it is boys. Some people are paying big money for this type of info. It's nothing special. It's just different, but it makes sense and it works.

*Added note: Since this protocol was designed and posted, a handful of advanced users have tried it as part of their bulking regime. They have also had great success.

Good Luck and Stay safe MUTANT

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I know this thread is old but this board seems like a good place for slin/hgh info. I know Mutant will be excited that I'm here so I can ask him questions daily. What I don't understand about this protocol is shake 1 and 2. I thought you wanted to take fast acting carbs immediately following your slin injection?
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even though the first shake has a Low DE Maltodextrin.. It is still Maltodextrin.

the second shake contains Dextrose .. so both shakes do what your thinking they're not
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even though the first shake has a Low DE Maltodextrin.. It is still Maltodextrin.

the second shake contains Dextrose .. so both shakes do what your thinking they're not
Thank you, that makes sense..
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I've been using this protocol for the past three weeks and I have nothing but good things to say about it! Running 5 iu of gh and 8 iu of slin pre wo and I feel great throught my workout. Usually run about 30g pepto pro with a little bcaa's for my protein. Definitely a protocol worth trying.
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Can you use this about 5 times a week? Meaning that i would train my bodyparts individually or should i do a 3 split program and train 3 times a week?
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Can you use this about 5 times a week? Meaning that i would train my bodyparts individually or should i do a 3 split program and train 3 times a week?
Can be used every workout day. If you train 5 days a week. Use it 5.
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Can be used every workout day. If you train 5 days a week. Use it 5.
exactly what i did..just say on top of your carb levels
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Can be used every workout day. If you train 5 days a week. Use it 5.
thank you One more thing tho, do you experience rapid gut growth from taking 100mcg igf-1 lr3 5 days a week? been reading over 10+ hours about lr3 and the gut growth but need some input from someone that is acually useing it. This is for the moment my main concern about following this insulin protocol.
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thank you One more thing tho, do you experience rapid gut growth from taking 100mcg igf-1 lr3 5 days a week? been reading over 10+ hours about lr3 and the gut growth but need some input from someone that is acually useing it. This is for the moment my main concern about following this insulin protocol.
NO. That isnt something that happens over night. Your good.
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