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Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Usyk 09/25 1pm et

This will happen in the UK is why the time is early.

Joshua will have a big size, weight, reach, height, advantage. Usyk moved up from CW a few years ago. Joshua is a natural HW. Do y'all think this is a good career move for Usyk?

I have never seen him fight but vs one of the best HWs in the world.

I do not think this intrigues me enough to watch.
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Usyk really had to move up to make any money, so I do not blame him for doing so. He does well against the middle tier, but the giants are going to crush him. Like Chris Byrd fighting Wladimir Klitschko.
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Fun fact: Usyk’s last loss was against Shawn Porter in the amateurs.

Crazy Truth: Shawn Porter is currently a welterweight lol

I mention that because Usyk is a bit of a paradox. Early on in his career they tried to market him kind of like a knockout artist & that’s a blatant lie & specially won’t be true at heavy weight. Usyk is a southpaw with a very unorthodox deceptive style, he’s trained by Lomachnenko’s dad.

I believe if he fully commits to that style, he has a legit chance to upset Joshua.

Joshua is a physical/athletic freak, if he catches Usyk clean, it’s goodnight for Usyk.

But on the other hand, he started boxing when he was 17 & was outboxed & upset by a fat un-dedicated boxer, literally the only advantage Andy Ruiz had on him was experience.

I’m personally leaning Usyk 60-40
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NIce breakdown. I still feel Joshua will take it.
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I think Ruiz won their first fight simply because he shocked Joshua with his explosive speed. Joshua had him hurt and then....BAM, Ruiz just let his hands fly. Joshua regained his composure and then a few rounds later it's like he forgot what happened the first time. He hurt Ruiz again, and then BAM, Ruiz let his hands fly. The only difference the second time was that Ruiz knew this was his last chance and went for broke. He threw caution to the wind and just kept hitting Joshua enough to keep him off balance until the Ref. stopped it. It was just shear luck. Kinda like the Buster Douglas and Tyson fight.
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I think Ruiz won their first fight simply because he shocked Joshua with his explosive speed. Joshua had him hurt and then....BAM, Ruiz just let his hands fly. Joshua regained his composure and then a few rounds later it's like he forgot what happened the first time. He hurt Ruiz again, and then BAM, Ruiz let his hands fly. The only difference the second time was that Ruiz knew this was his last chance and went for broke. He threw caution to the wind and just kept hitting Joshua enough to keep him off balance until the Ref. stopped it. It was just shear luck. Kinda like the Buster Douglas and Tyson fight.
I see a couple of similarities between Buster Douglas VS Mike Tyson & Anthony Joshua VS Andy Ruiz but I think they're very different.

I think the similarities are that both were major upsets & both Tyson & Joshua underestimated their opponent but the degrees of which are very different.

Mike Tyson VS Buster Douglas:

I don't think he was #1 at the time but Mike Tyson for sure had to be up there on the pound for pound rankings even though by the time he fought Buster Douglas he was already on the decline.

Basically after he left Cus & Rooney & joined Don King it was over for Tyson. He talked about it on his podcast but I forger the guest but he was too busy doing both american & japanese press during the day to train & at night he was too busy sparing with strippers & partying.

While Tyson is a freak in his own right, he's not the physical freak Joshua is & part of his legend is destroying opponent much bigger than him.

What made Tyson so great is how highly skilled he was both on the attack & when defending.

IMO at his peak, Tyson is the greatest but again, after he joined Don King & didn't have a trainer who pushed him it was over, combine that with drugs, alcohol & whores & he was bound to lose & he ultimately did against Douglas.

Anthony Joshua has never ever been on a top 10 pound for pound list. The fight against Ruiz was his first big fight in the states, they're trying to make him a major star really really hard & while I think he's improved greatly, I still believe he was overhyped.

& I don't think the loss to Ruiz was shear luck. Ruiz has been boinxg since he was a kid, he was a olympic fighter like joshua & at one time was even a Freddy Roach protege, the problem is he's undedicated & he literally can't stop eating to save his career or better said, to reach his true potential.

But there is no doubt that he was & maybe still is the more skilled fighter versus Joshua.

Note that he came in fatter for the 2nd fight but Joshua still couldn't knock him out.

Now Usyk, he's without a shadow of a doubt the most skilled fighter in the fight & it's really not close.

Problem is as mentioned, he may be reaching a bit fighting in heavyweight & his lack of power at heavy might be his downfall.

& on the flip side, Joshua is a freak with devastating power. He catches Usyk clean & it's over.

I think the wildcard is this, Usky is trained by Lomachenko who has lots of experience training a smaller fighter to fight a bigger fighter with his son Vasyl. I predict that Usyk will be the aggressor & he has the skill to get in & out of Joshua's range & beat him on the scorecards, possibly even knock him out in the latter rounds.

IMO I think Joshua needs to go for it or at the very least, take some calculated risks early & establish his power in the earlier rounds to keep USYK back & win the early rounds & then try to sit behind his jab & break him down.

So it comes down to Joshua taking a punch & conditioning. & for Usyk, if Joshua is able to walk through your best punches, uhhhh good luck.

If Joshua comes in light at the weigh in I'd swing to other side & say Joshua 60-40 but i definitely do not see a easy victory for Joshua.
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I can see your logic with his training. However, Loma is trained to beat guys that are 10-15 lbs bigger than him. Usyk is fighting a guy who is naturally 40-50 lbs bigger than him. That is a lot to overcome.
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I can see your logic with his training. However, Loma is trained to beat guys that are 10-15 lbs bigger than him. Usyk is fighting a guy who is naturally 40-50 lbs bigger than him. That is a lot to overcome.
100% facts, Joshua has the overwhelming power, reach, height, weight and youth advantage.

But how do you see the fight playing out?
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I think Usyk will have to weather the storm in the first few. if he makes it he can use his speed but Joshua has size and is way better than Dereck Chisora who gave Usyk probs even though he is not the same caliber boxer of Usyk or Joshua.

Hey, if Usyk wins this will catapult him up the HW ranks and give him a HUGE payday.

Joshua just has God given power,strength, athleticism and size.Hard to overcome that
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100% facts, Joshua has the overwhelming power, reach, height, weight and youth advantage.

But how do you see the fight playing out?
I think Joshua gets the knockout in the middle rounds. His game plan should be to just bully the sh*t out of him. Pull a Fury and lean on him hard. It may be boring, but it is what every giant should do against the smaller guys. If Joshua leaves this as a boxing match and Usyk weathers the storm I think Usyk can get an upset on the cards if he doesn't take a couple knockdowns.
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