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Undergroundsupplements Newsletter Issue #11

Issue #11

A letter from the Tazmanian Devil

Here is the latest newsletter. Thanks to all that contributed. I wish that there could be more but I am running out of volunteers for writing. I need people to volunteer to write articles. It can be about anything pertaining to bodybuilding, AS, supplements, pet peeves, etc. This used to be a monthly rag, but due to the lack of participation, it has turned into a quarterly event. I would like for it to be a monthly edition again, since there is so much new stuff going around. Please, please contact me or just write something up and send it to me.

Again, kudos to the Underground monitors. They are working tirelessly in making the Underground the best there is. I believe that we are now setting the standards of other new boards that have cropped up. Old members are coming back, we are getting tons of new members that have contributed to the board with well thought out intellectual posts. However, we all need to band together to get the flamers out. There was one in particular that would flame anytime he posted. A bunch of you posted that you didnít appreciate the types of posts and now the flamer is putting up respectable posts.

There has been talk of a T-shirt for Underground members. We need to put the idea into a reality. I can help out if we can put up some designs. I will start a post about it and anybody can put their concepts or ideas for a logo on a shirt. Whoever takes the reigns and goes and gets the shirts made can make some profit. So, when you see the post, please feel free to enter your designs, and maybe we can vote on the best design.

Thanks for reading and keep growing!!!

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NOTICE: No liability is assumed by Underground Supplements or the authors for any information contained herein. This text does not contain medical advise. Specific medical advise shoud be obtained from a licensed health practitioner. Neither Underground Supplements nor the authors advocate, promote or encourage the use of anabolic steroids or other illegal drugs. The information contained in this publication is not intended to induce or persuade anyone to use or possess anabolic steroids or any other illegal drugs Any references made directly about the effects of anabolic steroids, about obtaining anabolic steroids are for information purposes only and are expressions of the authors opinions. This publication is an attempt for a practical source of information, rather than scientific.
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Section I --Tricks, Tips for getting the "gear" safely



Part 1

Beware of the "Friendly Neighbor



Unfortuneately some of our friends have gone down due to a new scam that the feds and the locals have concocted. Its the "Friendly neighbor scam". This is how it goes down. Lets say a bodybuilder named John Doe orders from a source. The source can be a legit foreign source or a domestic source. This scam seems to happen more when a foreign source is involved. But it can also happen with a domestic source, but the chances are smaller. Ok, John Doe sets up an order. He sends the money and the source receives the money and order. The source sends the order. Lets say the source is foreign. The package is discovered by customs and they deem the amount to be excessive. They notify the FDA or the DEA. Now if they do not want to pursue the case, they notify John Doe's local authorities. The authorities usually will drool over cases like this and they set up a bust. They notify the DEA and Customs that they will try to make a bust. So the package is sent through. The local postmaster is notified so they can detain the package when it arrives to the post office. Once the package arrives to John Doe's local post office, the local feds are notified. Now comes the setup. They will send up a "Friendly Neighbor" to John Doe's door to deliver the package. Here is how it happens. The "friendly neighbor" will knock on John Doe's door with the package and explains "that the package was delivered to his/her house by mistake and I live a couple of blocks (or the next street down) from you. I thought I would drop this off to you on my way out"! John Doe thanks the "friendly neighbor" and takes the package. Once the door closes, the "friendly neighbor" notifies his/her partners who are waiting out of sight. The next thing John Doe knows is that he has detectives/feds/police knocking on his door and he is arrested, his house is ransacked and he is handcuffed and led out to the cars in front of his family and neighbors.

So how do you defend against this? Here are some hints. If the package was dropped off at your next door neighbor and you know he/she, then you can assume that it is an honest mistake made by your postal carrier. So make sure you know your neighbors and what they look like. Think about the scenario. If you have ever received a package or piece of mail by mistake and it doesnt belong to a neighbor 2-3 houses down, what do you do? The same as I do, I print "delivered to wrong address" and put it back in your mailbox so the next day your postal carrier can correct his/her mistake. Now if you are involved in this type of setup, you can bet that your "friendly neighbor" will look non-threatening. It may be an elderly person, a great looking female, etc. In other words, they will not look like a fed. So here is the cardinal rule: NEVER ACCEPT THE PACKAGE!! Don't even touch it! Warn family members not to accept the package either. It will not matter if you or a member of your household accepts the package. Once it is accepted, they have a case. Now once you have declined to take the package, the "friendly neighbor" will try to coerse you into taking the package. They will probably try the "just trying to be nice" routine. They can be very persuasive by asking what your name is, or does "John Doe" live here? DON'T EVER GIVE YOUR NAME! At this point you have to be a dick and tell the "friendly neighbor" that what he/she is doing is against the law and go get ....ed. Remember, the law states that only a certified postal worker can deliver federal mail. If they become persistant bring this point up!

Now if you did your job, keep in mind that you must cut your loss. Dont be surprised that in a couple of days the package shows up in your mailbox. They may be still trying to bust you. Look at the next article and use the hints there to refuse the package. As for future deliveries, keep in mind that the Postal inspector has your name and address and any future packages coming to you may be subject to x-ray or inspection. So definitly pick an alternative address with a different name. If you open up a post box, try to have a friend open up a mailbox. Do not open the post box with your name. The companies that run public post boxes conform with the laws and will notify the local postmaster that you have opened up a private post box. The reason is that the Postmasters keep a list of suspected drug traffikers and I can bet your name is on it. This list is passed around to the Post box companies. Now this doesnt mean you will be refused if you try to open a postbox. Remember, they want to bust you.

This article was confirmed by a U.S. Postal Worker. This postal worker will pass on other hints to be printed in the future issues of this newsletter. The postal worker will remain anomynous for obvious reasons and also the writer of this article. Be careful and cover your ass!
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Part 2

Hints for Recieving the Package



I put this section back in this issue, due to the fact that we have a lot more members who are new to the game of "mail order gear" on the Underground. This may be redundant to most of you, but this is for the newest members that need to have this knowledge.

If you are new to the game of obtaining gear through the mail, please pay very close attention to this section. This knowledge will keep you from getting in unneeded trouble. If you ever have any questions, remember, the dumbest questions pertaining to this subject are the UNASKED ones!





NEVER sign for or acknowledge ordering a package. (example), If a postman will not deliver without a receiving signature, write it off as a loss and change your source. This is the most important rule! If the "postman" tries to give you a package and have you sign for it, tell him/her that you were'nt expecting anything from (wherever/whomever) and the name on the package doesn't even live here. If they persist, you can bet your ass something is up! Tell them to go away and close the door on them. Do not buy into any story that they serve you. Even if your Postman is familiar, do not trust them.

This should go without stating, if you are being followed to your P.O Box (by someone you suspect as law enforcement) abort the pickup. If you've picked up the package already and notice that you are being tailed, go to the nearest mailbox and dump the package. When picking up the package, keep an eye out. Don't be too paranoid. But, if something doesnt seem right to you, don't pick up the package.

When you know that the package has been delivered to your mailbox of your home, take it inside, and have a magic marker handy. As soon as the package is in your home, IMMEDIATELY write across the face of the package in clear legible script:



RETURN - NOT AT THIS ADDRESS or RETURN TO SENDER. Leave it in an area that is close to the front door to make it look like you were going to drop it back in the mailbox as a rejected item on your very next trip outside. If you are being watched, and they approach you, they have nothing on you as you were just about to toss it back in the mailbox as a rejected item. If no one approaches you, you should be O.K. But, just to make sure, don't open the package for a day or two, if the law is staking you out, they will make their move within 24 hours. You can be sure that they won't wait more than a few days after you receive the package to try and bust you. After a two to three days, you should be cool.

Author's note: The above hint is based on the EliteFitness "Secrets of Mail Order Steroid Success". I want to make sure I give credit where credit is due. The above is free advise. You don't have to listen to it. You may not agree with it. But the ideas and thoughts come from customers that have been using these methods without failure for years.
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Section II -- "JUICE NEWS"

Part 1

Keeping your Gains!

A while ago, I put on a thread on the Underground asking what kinds of information and articles you wanted to see on this newsletter. The majority of requests were asking how to post cycle and ways to keep the hard earned gains after a cycle. I get alot of emails asking how to stack certain steroids and what dosages. Most think that they have the drugs to use in their post cycles in order to get their own testosterone levels back up to normal. Most think that getting your testosterone levels is the key to keeping the gains. I think that aquiring normal test levels after a cycle is the most important factor. I disagree. The answer is simple to me, but finding the correct equation is extremely difficult. I will give you a hint on what the number one concern is in order to keep your gains. Think of the word ANABOLIC. Now think of the word that has the opposite meaning. I will delve more into it later on in this section. But first one of the good friends of the Underground has written an article about his methods of using drugs and supplements to keep the gains that he makes from a AS cycle. This person has been very helpful to a number of people on our boards. Some know who I am talking about. This person is an IBFF Pro. Read on.

I would like to address an issue near and dear to all of us, keeping the muscles we have whole heartily busted our asses to gain. I get tons of letters and E-mails everyday regarding this subject and I want to get the word out for all. What needs to be recognized is the fact that the body has been sent on a roller coaster of hormones, so it doesnt know when to, and when not to make its own. There has been literally thousands of opinions on the subject, mostly from you and I. We try a certain combination and it works, we pass it on back and forth. I have tried serveral regiments myself and seem to have found what works for me. Remember, this is my program, it has worked for alot of people and it may work for you.

First we need to restore the Hypothalamohypophysial Testicular axis to normal after having been suppressed from the exogenous testosterone intake. We call this the "Post Cycle Crash". Your test level can be raised a number of ways with a variety of drugs. HCG is one of the best around but it also raises estrogen levels, so I would only use this for two weeks. Then switch to one I feel is the best around, Clomid. Clomid is great for raising test levels and as an anti-estrogen agent, which is beneficial after a cycle. Starting at 100mg a day for two weeks, then going to 50mg, a week for three weeks. Along with that stack, Proviron can also be used throughout the five weeks to keep the estrogen levels down. I have also seen Clenbuterol used to help you keep the training intensity high and some feel it has an anabolic effect. I prefer to save the Clen for precontest, but if you have access to many tabs of it, go ahead and add it in. It is very important to stick to this regiment as depression may set in while you seem to lose weight on a daily basis and want to jump back on a cycle to prevent any further loss. WRONG, this is where you take a step back and fall into a trap. Pros DO NOT stay on all year. If they did, they would need 10,000mg a week of Testosterone to maintain their size. Yes, their layoffs may only last six to eight weeks, but that is what works pretty good for some. Then every two or three years, they take a longer three to four month layoff.

Another common problem is joint pain after coming off a cycle. Cortisone levels are off during a cycle adn drop suddenly when you come off. With the use of drugs mentioned this should be minimized due to your test level coming down very slowly, giving your body enough time to compensate for the Cortison lowering. We could go on all day about this issue, but to sum it up, doing a proper taper, stacking the test boosters, and anti-inflammatories such as Naprosyn or Motrin will do the trick. Do not fall into the Nubain trap, as I have seen a few buddies and pros get hooked on it and need it everyday, not a good situation to be in.

Sure I realize many of you do not have access to the said drugs mentioned above. You may want to try Andromax, DHEA or a few other products on the market used to raise test levels. Some have benefited from these compounds with doses in the 800 to 100mg a day range. I have seen a buddy get a mild case of gyno from 1500mg of Andromax a day so it does work to some degree.

I hope this was informative to all. Remember this is my opinion as not much research is done on Bodybuilders concerning this issue. After all, we are different, and the mainstream Joe Civilian has no idea about what we go through, and we like it that way. Ours is a way of life envied by most and respected by some, maybe we should have taken up golf......Didn't think so...........!

Enjoy, Name withheld to protect his identity



I want to add on that this person has been with the board almost from the inception. He really enjoys the board and he contributes alot when he can. Thank you my friend and Thanks so much for your Contributions! I know that big things are ahead of you and I wish you all the best. Your a class act!
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Part 2

Fat Burners sometimes burn more than fat!



OK, This will open alot of people eyes, some supposed gurus may disagree with me, but I have talked alot to the common bodybuilders. You reading this may be the common bodybuilder. You probably have average genetics and have to figure out the best way to use fat burners to burn fat only. But too many go on a post-post-cycle of burning the excess fat that accumulated during your bulking stage. The post-post-cycle refers to the third cycle many of us do. What is the post-post-cycle you ask? Well in a nutshell, its this. Starting from the beginning, most of us choose anabolic steroids in two different classes. Its either the "bulk gaining steroid cycle" or the "cutting cycle". Most of us go through the eight to ten week cycle. We have learned this from countless articles in some magazines, books like the World Anabolic Review, and the Anabolic Reference Guide. These are great books, but most of us do not realize that these books are dated. There has been alot of new things that have been studied and to find out, that a lot of the cycling information found in these books dont work optimally for alot of people. In the WAR, it states that one of the best fat burners there is is the Cytomel/Clenbuterol stack. I will agree for I have used that stack and I lost a tremendous amount of bodyfat. But, I made a mistake and did the stack without using steroids. What was the consequences? I lost alot of muscle and strength. I thought is was the common process of losing muscle mass and strength after a cycle. But as time continued, I lost more of my gains and more strength. But I was getting cut and that is what I wanted. But by the time my 6 week regimine ended, I lost most of the muscle and strength that I had built up. So I basically wasted about $400. Why did this happen? Well as I have got wiser, I learned why this occured. Lets look at the drugs that I used. After my cycle, I began the ever popular, HCG and Clomid stack. Now most of us have been taught that the key to keeping most of your gains is to get your bodys testosterone levels back up and running normally. At the time, that is what I thought too. So I injected 5000ius of HCG every 5 days and took 100mg of Clomid a day for 3 weeks. After my cycle, I had gained 15lbs. After the post cycle, I had still kept 12lbs. Not too shabby I thought. But I had gained some bodyfat and wanted to drop it. So I began my post-post cycle of Clen/Cytomel. I did the classic dosing of 2 day on, 2 day off on the Clen, and started with 50mcg of Cytomel a day for the first week, adding 25mg the next week, then another 25mcg the following week. That was followed by the tapering of the Cytomel the following 3 weeks. I was losing bodyfat, but I also was losing some muscle. My gains had dwindled down to 9lbs after 2 weeks of the Clen/Cytomel stack. I was hoping it was just fat. Wrong!! My strength was plummeting along with the gains. I was confused. I thought that Clen was supposed to help keep your gains. I knew that the Cytomel could attack muscle, but thought that the Clen would counter that. But I was losing the fat, and looking better so I kept on. By the 4th week of the post-post stack, my gains went down to 6lbs, and the I wasnt looking any thinner. I was dismayed. But I kept up through the post-post cycle and at the end, I only kept 2lbs of my gains. Well, as most of you may read, I seemed to do everything right, so what happened?

Lets go back to basics. The reason why steroids work so well is that it keeps your body anabolic and does not give cortisol a chance to bind to the receptors. That is the main reason why steroids work so well. Well there is the answer......CORTISOL! I have learned that some people produce more cortisol production than others. There are some elite bodybuilders that can do a cycle and can keep most of their gains and not have to worry about losing anything. Then there are the common folk like myself that do a cycle and cortisol wreaks havoc on their gains after the cycle. Well as most of you know, Cytadren is one of the best drugs that inhibit cortisol. It also inhibits estrogen and testosterone production so there is a lot of confusion on how to take it. Also, you also have to know how much to take and when to stop the cytadren due to the fact that the body will produce more cortisol when it realizes there is not enough.

There seems to be many hypothesis on how to cycle cytadren. Some people say that doing one tab in divided dosages is the key, others take 1 tab a day, others 2 tabs. Some use it like Clen, 2 days on, 2 days off. I have stressed this and stressed this point: "Do not assume that you are like everyone else until you prove that you are". Everyone is different and you have to find your niche. You also have to consider the types of drugs that were used in your steroid cycle. Steroids that are highly anabolic will do wonders is suppressing cortisol. Keep in mind that we are stating "suppressing" . Suppressing means that the cortisol is present in the bloodstream but cannot do its thing due to the anabolic steroid taking up the receptors in the muscle. Cortisol lasts a long time in the body and the normal human body has no problems in producing it. Its the bodys way of protecting itself in times of stress. As the steroid cycle has ended and the steroid has done what it can to the muscle receptors, cortisol takes over and thus your no longer anabolic, but catabolic. Now what? Well the old school taught us that in order to keep your gains, you had to get your test levels up as quickly as possible. New school is in session. And your number one priority is to keep your cortisol levels down. Some of us stay on steroids most of the time to keep anabolic. But for some that is not economically feasible, nor is it real good for your body. Now I have found my niche and my niche is 500mg of cytadren a day for 3 weeks. If I am on self tapering anabolics such as enanthate or sustanon, then I start the cytadren between 2 and 3 weeks after my last shot. I take it for 3 weeks straight. Cytadren clears the body quickly so I begin to raise my natural test levels immediately after my cytadren. Clomid works well for me and I also take the Sopharma brand of Tribestan. I take 800mg a day. My HCG is also done with a 5000iu shot every 7 days. This works for me. Again I stress, this is what works for me, it may work for you, but everyone is different and what may be enough for me is too much for you or not enough for you.

For those who are new to Cytadren look to the next edition which will give you a synopsis on what the drug is all about.
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Part 3

IGF-1

IGF stands for insulin-like growth factor. It is a natural substance that is produced in the human body and is at its highest natural levels during puberty. During puberty IGF is the most responsible for the natural muscle growth that occurs during these few years. There are many different things that IGF does in the human body; I will only mention the points that would be important for physical enhancement. Among the effects the most positive are increased amino acid transport to cells, increased glucose transport, increased protein synthesis, decreased protein degradation, and increased RNA synthesis.

When IGF is active it behaves differently in different types of tissues. In muscle cells proteins and associated cell components are stimulated. Protein synthesis is increased along with amino acid absorption. As a source of energy, IGF mobilizes fat for use as energy in adipose tissue. In lean tissue,

IGF prevents insulin from transporting glucose across cell membranes. As a result the cells have to switch to burning off fat as a source of energy.

IGF also mimic's insulin in the human body. It makes muscles more sensitive to insulin's effects, so if you are a person that currently uses insulin you can lower your dosage by a decent margin to achieve the same effects, and as mentioned IGF will keep the insulin from making you fat.

Perhaps the most interesting and potent effect IGF has on the human body is its ability to cause hyperplasia, which is an actual splitting of cells. Hypertrophy is what occurs during weight training and steroid use, it is simply an increase in the size of muscle cells. See, after puberty you have a set number of muscle cells, and all you are able to do is increase the size of these muscle cells, you don't actually gain more. But, with IGF use you are able to cause this hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue, and through weight training and steroid usage you are able to mature these new cells, in other words make them grow and become stronger. So in a way IGF can actually change your genetic capabilities in terms of muscle tissue and cell count. IGF proliferates and

differentiates the number of types of cells present. At a genetic level it has the potential to alter an individuals capacity to build superior muscle density and size.

There is a lot of talk about the similarity between IGF and growth hormone. The most often asked question is simply which is more effective. GH doesn't directly cause your muscles to grow, it works very indirectly by increasing protein synthesis capabilities, increasing the amount of insulin a person can use effectively, and increasing the amount of anabolic steroids a person can use effectively. GH also indirectly causes muscle growth by stimulating the release of IGF when it (the GH) is destroyed in the human body. So one way you could look at it as GH being a precursor to IGF. So to put it simple IGF is more effective at directly causing muscle growth and density increases. IGF is also much more cost effective.

IGF can also be effectively used by itself and gains will still be easily noticeable. With growth hormone you need to use high amounts of anabolics and often insulin to see any gains at all, this is not the case with IGF. IGF can be used by itself and is often used by bodybuilders who bridge between cycles, during this bridge is a good time to use IGF since it has no effect on natural testosterone production so it will therefore allow you to return to normal in terms of hormone levels. A stack of IGF, PGF2a, HCG, and clomid would be a good bridge stack and would allow your body to return to normal and still allow you to retain and make new gains.

IGF is a research drug, it hasn't been approved by the FDA for use as a pharmaceutical and it is currently being researched for nerve tissue repair, possible burn victims, and also as a possible aid in muscle wasting for AIDS patients. There are many different analogs of IGF available, instead of mentioning them all, I will simply mention the two most common and the most effective. Regular recombinant IGF is one of the two, it is also the more expensive and the least effective. Regular IGF only has a half-life of about 10-20 minutes in the human body and is quickly destroyed, it can be combined with certain binding proteins to extend the half-life, but it is not a very simple procedure and there is a more effective and less expensive version available. The most effective form of IGF is Long R3 IGF-1, it has been chemically altered and has had amino acid changes which cause it to avoid binding to proteins in the human body and allow it to have a much longer half life, around 20-30 hours. "Long R3 IGF-1 is an 83 amino acid analog of IGF-1 comprising the complete human IGF-1 sequence with the substition of an Arg(R) for the Glu(E) at

position three, hence R3, and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N terminus. This analog of IGF-1 has been produced with the purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF peptide."

"Long R3 IGF-1 is signifacantly more potent than IGF-1. The enhanced potency is due to the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF's."

It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use. There is also a receptor grade available but it is VERY expensive and the only noticeable difference between the two would only be able to be noticed in a laboratory setting. The price on the black market for Long R3 IGF-1 can be seen anywhere from $300-$500 per milligram depending on the source, be wary of black market dealers of any IGF since it is a VERY difficult item to obtain. As mentioned IGF is a research product and is only available from a few laboratories in the world and is only available to research companies and biotechnology institutions. For the rest of this article when I say IGF I am now referring to Long R3 IGF-1 for simplicity sake.

Any form of IGF is ONLY supplied in a lyphosized form, which means a dry powder state. NEVER PUCHASE PRE-DILUTED LIQUID IGF!!!! There is no such product made anywhere in the world and even if there were real IGF ever present in the vial it would all be dead by the time you receive it. IGF is a very delicate peptide and must be diluted by yourself, where you have access to a refrigerator and freezer. There has also been a lot of talk by certain sources claiming to have IGF made by the Eli Lilly company, to clear things up Lilly is a pharmaceutical company and as stated IGF is a research drug and has not yet been approved, Lilly does not and never has manufactured research drugs for retail sale.

The dilutents you will need for the IGF are a weak concentration of hydrochloric acid and a sterile buffer(sterile water or bacteriostatic water) the procedure for diluting the IGF is not very difficult, the dilutents can be obtained from most local chemical suppliers and a good source of IGF would also be able to supply the necessary dilutents.

The most effective length for a cycle of IGF is 50 days on and 20-40 days off. The most controversy surrounding Long R3 IGF-1 is the effective dosage. The most used dosages range between 20mcg/day to 120+mcg/day. IGF is only available by the milligram, one mg will give you a 50 day cycle at 20mcg/day, 2mg will give you a 50 day cycle at 40mcg/day, 3mg will give you a 50 day cycle at 60mcg/day, 4mg will give you a 50 day cycle at 80mcg/day and so on. The dosage issue mainly revolves around how much money you have to spend, plenty of people use the minimum dosage of 20mcg/day and are happy with the results, and in fact several top bodybuilders use the 20mcg/day dosage and are pleased with the results. IGF is most effective when administered subcutaneously and injected once or twice daily at your current dosage. The best time for injections is either in the morning and/or immediately after weight training.

Another frequently asked question of IGF refers to the real world results, in terms of pure weight gain don't expect to gain 5 lbs. a week like you may off of anadrol or a similar steroid. The only weight you will gain from IGF use is pure lean muscle tissue, with steroids most of the weight gained is water weight. With an effective dosage you can expect to gain 1-2 lbs of new lean muscle tissue every 2-3 weeks and these effects can be increased with the use of testosterone, anabolic steroids, and insulin use. Increased vascularity is also very common, people report seeing veins appear where they never have before. And yet another effect reported is the ability to stay lean while bulking with heavy dosages of steroids and TONS of food while on an IGF cycle, this is perhaps the most pleasing effect. Increased pumps are also noticeable almost immediately, the pumps can almost become painful, pumps are even noticeable when doing cardio.

Overall, IGF is a very exciting drug due to its ability to alter ones genetic capabilities. If you can find a trustworthy source and you use it correctly it can be a VERY useful tool in your bodybuilding drug arsenal.





I would personally thank The Growth Factor for this very informative article. Now to the readers, there is a source for real IGF-1. Keep in mind of what the article states of the pricing of IGF-1. IGF comes in 1ml vials. It sounds like a very small amount but the dosages are small. Usually a common dosing schedule will give you enough to take a dose every day for 50 days. Incorporating IGF-1 in your stack calls for serious bodybuilders with serious funds. The use of IGF-1 by bodybuilders is still very new. Most elite bodybuilders such as the pros like to stack HGH with IGF-1. Its hard to say if that combo works since the elite bodybuilders have almost reached their best potentials. I know of no beginner or intermediate bodybuilders that have tried this stack. One thing that some gurus say that taking IGF-1 with long lasting highly anabolic steroids such as Testosterone Enanthate, Sustanon, Cypionate will make the body produce IGF-2 which is a non-competitive opposite of IGF-1. The IGF-2 would do most of the receptor binding, rendering the IGF-1 useless. They say that if you mix a high androgen steroid with IGF-1, then Testosterone Propionate is a wise choice. The drawback is that you have to use heavy doses in the range of 400mg a day! OUCH!! Now, I will reiterate and say that these are speculations only. But I have to agree with Growth Factor and say that IGF-1 is perfect to expand your genetic potential. I think that using IGF would help your body grow new muscle that wouldnt have happened before IGF was used. I am certain that people will experience different results with IGF.

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Section III -- Supplements/Herbs



Part 1

Understanding ProHormones

Since the last time I wrote about Prohormones, there have been some pretty significant changes in the Pro-hormone industry. Newer forms have come out. They are supposed to be much more potent and the delivery methods have been updated and refined. This article will talk about the sublingual forms of Pro-hormones. Sublingual Pro-Hormones are now in what we call "cyclodextrin" forms. And they are supposed to be the latest and the most effective way to get the prohormone in your bloodstream. This method will skip the gastrointestinal process where most of the prohormone is destroyed. So I will try to explain what cyclodextrins are and why they are more effective than oral (swallowed) Pro-Hormone supplements. Also, I will cover some other Pro-Hormone brands and tell you a bit about how they are used.

Most of you may have heard about using Androstene nasally. A while back, East Germans were using Androstene. But when it came to getting the most out of Androstene, they needed something that could be used quickly and would begin to work quickly. So they developed a crude form of Nasal Androstene. Using Androstene nasally would allow the pro-hormone to enter the blood stream quickly through the thin nasal membranes. This would by-pass the gastrointestinal tract, eliminating breakdown, and allowing the prohormone to enter the bloodstream much quicker. So bodybuilders not being able to find the nasally used androstene, began to empty the capsules under their tongue in hopes in trying to use it subligually. This didnt pan out because of the molecules being much too large to pass through the muscous membranes. So the supplement industry has now introduced a new type of delivery system involving a unique class of carbohydrates called cyclodextrins. This type of delivery system has not been used before -- not for Pro-Hormones anyway. Cyclodextrins are end-to-end linked sugar molecules shaped like hollow cones. They're unique because the chemical properties on the outside are different from the ones on the inside. The outer structure is hydrophyllic (water-like) while the inner structure (or cone) is much more lipophilic (oil-like). Let me explain these terms with an example: If you look at Italian salad dressing you see globs of oil in a pool of vinegar. And if you stir them, they don't mix. Even if you shake the hell out of the bottle, the oil never completely dissolves in the vinegar. This is because oil and vinegar have very different chemical properties, preventing them from bonding with each other and making a homogenous mixture (a uniform solution where you cannot distinguish the oil parts from the vinegar parts) -- in this case the oil is oil-like and the vinegar is water-like. And the oil-like cone of a cyclodextrin molecule is able to hold other oil-like molecules inside of it and protect them from a water-like environment. Scientists have been using cyclodextrins for the last 20 years to deliver a number of oil-like drugs to the body that would otherwise be "unabsorbable" (like the anti-inflammatories, ibuproxam and dexamethasone). Until now, though, you've probably never heard of them because cyclodextrins have never heard of them because cyclodextrins have never been used with supplements for the bodybuilding community. But this cyclodextrin-absorption system is currently being used to enhance the effectiveness of prohormones. Pro-Hormones are oil-like molecules and they don't dissolve well in bodily fluids (saliva, mucous, perspiration, gastric juices, etc..) because they are primarily water. This makes prohormones difficult to absorb whether they are put under your tongue (subligual), snorted (intra-nasal), spread on the skin with DMSO (transdermal) or just swallowed (oral).

Unfortuneatly, only a small percentage of the prohormone is absorbed through any of these means and a significant portion is wasted, limiting the effects on hormone levels in the body. But if a Pro-Hormone is combined with a cyclodextrin, the absorption can be increased 10-fold. What is almost magical about the cyclodextrin molecule is that it allows a Pro-Hormone to remain safe and guarded in a "cyclodextrin jacket" until it contacts a membrane that it can bond with and pass through (this is what is meant by absorption). Cyclodextrins have their most powerful effects when they are used sublingually (dissolved under the tongue) because of the large absorption area of the oral mucosa (the membrane that lines the mouth).

When a cyclodextrin-prohormone complex (a prohormone inside of a cyclodextrin molecule) is placed under the tongue, it can move very easily through the water-like saliva--because on the outside it is water-like--until it reaches the oil-like membrane of the oral mucosa. Then the Pro-Hormone can be safely released to pass through the membrane and move directly into the bloodstream. This allows a large amount of the Pro-Hormone to be absorbed and a significant hormone elevation to occur in the body.

Josef Pitha at the Department of Health and Human Services demonstrated the effectiveness of cyclodextrin complexes with a testosterone molecule. He found that cyclodextrin complexes of 10mg of testosterone administered sublingually raised testosterone levels to 900% after 1 hour and they remained elevated to nearly 500% after 2 hours. (R-1,2,3) In comparison, oral administration of 200mg of normal testosterone only elevated levels to 300% (even though they used 20 times the dose of the first expirement). So the effectiveness of the sublingual-cyclodextrin delivery system is very clear. It is far more effective than oral administration even at the fraction of the dose.

But, this doesn't mean that conventional delivery systems are obsolete. Cyclodextrins give you another weapon for your bodybuilding arsenal. So now you can stimulate your hormones through both methods at the same time for an even greater anabolic effect. Here are some companies that are now selling cyclodextrin-prohormones.

Sports One

BOSS

Genex Labs.

There are two Pro-Hormone products that use something like the cyclodextrin delivery system. But they are close and the feedback has been very positive. First is from a company that we are all familiar with called Steris Labs. Yes, thats right they are the ones that make the high quality anabolic steroids. They have a Pro-Hormone product called "Impact 250". Impact 250 is a blend of 4 Pro-Hormones that have been micronized (broken up into tiny particles) and mixed in cottonseed oil. Impact 250 comes in a multi-use bottle with a rubber stopper top that you are supposed to take off and insert an eye dropper into it so it can be used subligually. Now since the product comes with the rubber stopper, some bodybuilders are pushing a hypo needle into it and drawing up the oil and injecting this solution intramuscularly. It has been deemed that since it is a cottonseed oil, it can act as injecting a steroid so that the Pro-Hormone is released into the bloodstream slowly. Steris does not condone this practice what-so-ever. I have heard users reporting good results using the solution subligually. If you are interested more information on Impact 250, visit the website at .

The second Pro-Hormone solution is from a company called VPX Sports. It is called PARADECA (LipoJect Technologies). Paradeca is a matrix of synergistic phytochemicals complexed amidst powerful intrinsic Pro-Hormones. These ingredients are uniquely packaged with an oral syringe to disperse exact dosages. Along with the dispenser is a 60cc or 120cc multiple dose vial containing a liquid suspension of the aforementioned phytochemicals and Pro-Hormones. The complex microlipid spheres contained within the liquid suspension are 45 to 55 times smaller than the diameter of the human hair. These microlipid spheres encapsulate the biologically active prohormone molecules in a multilayered liposome that can enter directly into the bloodstream through the lipid loving mucocutaneous tissue that lines the inside of the mouth. This specialized tissue's highly selective passage gateway from external to internal is further improved with the addition of capillary dialating phytochemicals. One of these phytochemicals is Ginko-Biloba which we all know is used to enhance memory by dialating the blood vessels to the brain, increasing the blood flow. These phytochemicals influence faster more efficient uptake of phospholipid microspheres into the bloodstream. These multilayered liposomes disperse a steady state of phytochemicals and Pro-Hormones throughout the bloodstream for a period of 20 hours! Here, these powerful nutrients flow directly to the heart where they rapidly disperse through the bodys complex vascular system in a matter of minutes. Even though this exclusive Lipoject Technologies process boasts absorption rates as high as an injection, the true scientific phenomena that takes place once these hormones are in the body is whats most remarkable. After entering the bloodstream, the magic of Paradeca occurs when the multilayered phospholipid naturally breaks down dispersing billions of Pro-Hormone and phytochemical molecules that cant potentially influence luteinizing action, antiaromatase activity, increase receptor affinity and also allow the intrinsic action of 19 Nor-Androstenediol and 4-Androstenediol to take place. Additionally, this process allows for a high conversion rate of the DIOLS to testosterone and nortestosterone (nandrolone). Oral (tablets, capsules, softgels)19-NorAndrostenediol and 4-Androstenediol, are NOT fat soluble and only have a 4% conversion rate compared to a 99+ % conversion rate of the fat soluble Pro-Hormones in PARADECA. Consequently, you would have to ingest 5000mg of oral 4-androstenediol and 19-nor androstenediol to achieve the same serum testosterone levels as a 200mg dose of PARADECA! Let me tell you some of the ingredients in PARADECA and how it is used.

Tribulus Terrestris L (Crypto Gold)

45% Steroidal Sapponins (LH Activator)

Proprietary Pro-Hormone Complex: 200mg 4-Androstenediol and 19-Nor Androstenediol

Alpha Lipoic Acid

Bioperine

Zinc Citrate

Methyl Sulfonyl Methane

Ginko Biloba



LipoJect Technologies:

Proprietary Liposomal Matrix

Asulfame K

alcohol and Natural Flavors

With the oral syringe, dispense 2cc (ml) of Paradeca into mouth. Let solution remain in mouth for five minutes between cheek and gums. Swallow solution. Repeat procedure upon awakening, 15 minutes prior to training, and before retiring. Wait at least 5 hours between dosages to enable the body to replenish the 3 BHSD enzyme necessary for prohormone conversion to testosterone and nandrolone. Use for 6 weeks then wait at least 4 weeks to start another cycle of Paradeca.

To find out more about this product, you can call VPX at (954)797-9759 or (800)954-7904 or look them up on the web at:
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Part 2

The Real Supplement Review

There is a great deal of misinformation and intentional deception being published in the form of the testing reviews and supplement review; therefore, as your Supplement Guru, I felt it necessary to put a legitimate article together called "The Real Supplement Review". However, when a supplement is listed in the top 10, I unequivocally believe that it meets the highest standards in regards to quality, and possesses the latest technological advancements in the science of nutrition pharmacology that is instrumental in enhancing one's appearance, muscle and/or performance.

While these high-tech nutrients and their delivery systems would definitely top the charts of the "Real Supplement Review", currently they cannot be discussed. There are other new nutrients/supplements that effect neuro transmission or communication between brain cells such as, 5-HTP (5-hydroxy tryptophan), hypericin, DMAE dimethylaminoethanol), L-Tyrosine, 2(3H)-furanone di-hydro, that are trying to mimic the positive effects of the recently banned Phen Fen or GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate). As stated, this text is not all-inclusive and consequently, did not review these potentially effective and maybe dangerous substances.

In reverse order, from #12 to #1, we briefly review some of the top sports nutrition supplements:

10. Glutamine peptides - 16 times greater nitrogen retention than L-glutamine

9. Endo-Pro Plus - (Zeiss Research) The label reads "Get HARD stay HARD, you know what I mean!" As silly as that sounds, it's true. This product works above the belt and even better below the belt. Both sexes report increased muscle hardness and increased libido. The leuteininzing action of this

product seems to closely resemble a prescription hormone called HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin). In a frenzy to try to figure out what makes this product so effective, Dan Duchaine incorrectly concluded that the active ingredient in Endo Pro was Tribulus Terristris. However, contrary to

Duchaine's conclusion, it's a proprietary combination of flavonoids that make his product so effective and elusive to other supplement companies eagerly trying to cash in on Endo Pro's success. This supplement has been more successful with no advertising than products marketed with multi-million dollar ad campaigns!!!

8. Glycerol - Users report more endurance, a better pump and increased vascularity. Glycerol is already successfully being used for contest preparation in distance events, bodybuilding and fitness contests.

7. Greens Plus - No mysterious science here, it just makes you feel awesome and it's a convenient way to obtain cruciferous vegetables.

6. Meal Replacement Packets - SCSS Opti Meal, Lean Body, BetaStatin

5. Meltdown (Synephrine and Ephedrine) - Meltdown broke out of the traditional stack of Ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin by further augmenting their stack with Citrus Aurantium. The active ingredient in this herb is Synephrine. When synephrine - an alpha andrenergic agonist is synergistically combined with ephedrine - a beta andrenergic agonist - the fat-burning effects seem to nearly double!

4. Enhanced Creatine Products (Creatine Delivery systems) Such as Met-Rx High Gear, Phosphagen HP, Hypergain, Cell-tech

These are the single best products for gaining lean mass. Creatine Delivery systems make straight Creatine obsolete. You must have phosphate present for creatine to function as it is resynthesized to

Adenosine tri-phosphate. Additionally, insulin nearly doubles the effectiveness of Creatine. Therefore, products that spike insulin and that contain insulin-mimicking nutrients are your ticket to rapid size and explosive strength gains.

3. Pro-Hormones (DIOL) products have a greater conversion rates than the (DIONES)

2. Renewtrient (furonone di-hydro) - GHB has identical intoxicating properties of 2(3H)-Furanone di-hydro. Yes you do get HIGH. Basically these substances shut down neurotransmission (conscious thought processes) by inhibiting the release neurotransmitters or brain chemicals that allow brain cells

to communicate with one another. If you try to stay awake under the influence of this product, you seem to fade in and out of consciousness and sub-consciousness. Renewtrient induces super deep stage 3 and 4 sleep patterns. Because the user stays in stage 3 and 4 sleep for many hours awakening from a

'Furamone coma-like night of sleep leaves the user super refreshed and invigorated.

1. Whey Protein Isolate - ... and the number one supplement is Whey Protein Isolate with di, tri, and quadrapeptide isolates. Because protein is the foundation of any supplement program, you should consume the highest biological value protein available.



Sifting Through the Mess - Let the buyer beware supplements.

1. Myoplex Mass - 36g sugar - stepping backwards. Didn't Muscle Media 2000 hammer high sugar weight gainers several years ago? Rating: 20 yrs. ago this product would get an "A"

2. Myoplex Deluxe Bar - 36g sugar - Sugar Nutrition or Candy Bar. Snickers bars have 25% less sugar. "Bill what were you thinking?" - Rating: NA

3. Any type of "zone" or "40-30-30" bars or powders in which the "40" refers to 40% sugar. These bars are just as bad as any commercially available candy bar. Unless you want 40 30 30 to refer to your waist size and bodyfat percentage, grab a low fat/low carb high protein nutrition bar.

4. Meal replacement packets or protein powders which blend low-grade casienate proteins, soy proteins, milk proteins, etc. or Whey Protein Concentrate products deceptively using Whey Protein Isolates' awesome nutritional statistics to promote their products. Use Cross Pro, Lean Body or Phil Kaplan's EAT. Lack of sales will cause other companies to stop deceptive advertising. When you see "68 and/or 77% better protein" on the label and it reads WHEY CONCENTRATE on the ingredient panel, THEY'RE LYING!!! They're ripping you off. Sports Pharma just lost a $50,000 lawsuit to the same company that boasts "68%" and more recently "77% better protein". Ironically, the company that should be slapped with the biggest class action suit in Sports Nutrition history for deceiving 100's of thousands of

consumers, just won a lawsuit for $50,000.

5. Pyruvate - You read the ads, "48% greater fat loss...!" Stack Pyruvate with lots of "Hail Mary's", liposuction and group therapy with Richard Simmons and this product may just work after all! Rating = F+

6. Proteins claiming to be Whey Protein Isolates such as EAS' Precision Protein. According to the label this product contains 2g of sugar per 20g serving or 10% sugar. The lowest grade Whey Protein Isolate we could find contained less than 1% sugar. BEWARE.

7. Products containing a protein/creatine mix. Protein severely hampers uptake and storage of creatine thereby lessening creatine's effectiveness. Carbohydrate/creatine mixes are significantly more effective than straight creatine and even more so than protein/creatine mixes

8. Renewtrient (furano di hydro) - Although on the "Top 10", list this product is potentially fatal if combined with alcohol or any type of sedative or depressant type drugs. Its intoxicating effects and chemical make-up are almost identical to GHB. AKA Butyrolactone, dihydro-2(3H) - furanone is a constituent of paint removers, textile aids, and drilling oils.

9. Symbiotropin, Pro HGH, Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide or 'GHRP'. Although these products are reported to stimulate Natural growth hormone levels to 'normal' levels, they cannot cause the body to produce supraphysiological (beyond one's natural output) levels of GH. Consequently, GHRP's in their current state are useless for the majority of bodybuilders and athletes who already are producing sufficient amounts of natural GH. In less than two months time the demand for this product has already burned out.

10. Regenisist, Testatropinol - Homeopathic products containing real Growth Hormone and/or testosterone, etc... The maximum amount allowable is in nanogram (1 billionth of a gram) amounts. These products are unrefrigerated and are, therefore, considered to be biologically inactive. Ingesting

biologically inactive real growth hormone in nanogram amounts no matter what delivery system is about as useful as screen doors on submarines.

11. HMB - If you want a product that has been scientifically proven to increase intra-muscular fat in the satorious muscle of a pig, this product has your name written all over it. "Experts" have countless excuses why this product does not work. Charles Poloquin states that it only works

on "elite" athletes. Others say stack it with creatine, protein, and androstenedione. One thing is for sure, stack HMB with 3 cc's of Testosterone Cypionate, 8 iu's of Growth Hormone, aminoglutethanide,and a

tenth of a cc of R insulin after a workout with 5,000 iu's of HCG and 400mg of Deca Durabolin and you'll grow like a weed. HMB does not work - Get the picture!

12. Ciwujia - is a type of ginseng that was reported to have increased fat metabolism by 43%. As a matter of fact, a company trying to market this product hired football legend, Joe Montana, as their spokesperson and spent $1.3M in an aggressive advertising campaign. Ciwujia metabolized money right

out of the consumer's pocket! Needless to say this company disappeared with a quickness. This is what happens when nutritionally and scientifically challenged individuals try to enter an arena in which they know nothing about. I rate all Ginsengs as the most over-rated/ under productive supplements in the history of supplementation.

13. HCA or Hydroxy Citric Acid may work by inhibiting the enzyme responsible for producing fatty acids from dietary carbohydrates. The key work here is MAY. MAY is not science. HCA is supposed to prevent excess dietary carbohydrates from being stored as bodyfat. Because most people are aware of how excess carbs and especially sugars are detrimental to fat loss, HCA would be of little or no value at all. Because one of the top supplement companies has come out with a meal replacement packet, a hyped up creatine product, and a nutrition (I use the term loosely) bar, all with over 30 grams of sugar, maybe they could add large quantities of HCA to their products and consumers MAY no longer get FAT. Rating = 0

14. Chinese Creatine - take your current brand of creatine and hold it under a light. If it has a crystalized, sparkly, shiny appearance, it has been manufactured improperly. This crystalized appearance generally occurs when creatine has been exposed to high temperatures for too long of a time period. VPX, EAS, and Twinlab bottle raw material creatine from the only approved drug manufacturing processed creatine in the United States. One of the components of creatine is derived from hydrogen cyanide. Improperly

manufactured creatine causes serious health consequences. Be careful - there are many name brand creatines that are from Chinese origin at a bulk price of $12.00 per kilo (1000 grams). You'll save everything but your life!

Your best bet is to carefully scrutinize all nutrition products. Always keep a high-grade protein powder, protein bar, and/or meal replacement as the foundation of your supplement program. DO NOT underestimate the value of consuming 6 lean proteins per day in 2 _ - 3 hour intervals. This is by far

the most effective strategy for attaining a lean and muscular body. When time does not permit eating a real food protein, it's time to break out a convenient protein powder or low sugar/low fat protein bar.

Creatine products should be supplement choice #2. If creatine causes you stomach irritation or bloating, simply cut back on the amount per dosage. A 100 lb. woman should take far less than the recommended 5g dose. ALL supplements must be adjusted to the person consuming them.

Next, if you are trying to burn fat and increase the intensity of your workout, muscle sparing/fat burning products such as ephedrine and the newly discovered synephrine are your ticket to rapid fat loss. Meltdown is the only product to combine these two synergistic ingredients.
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US Government/AMA SCAM

It is my opinion that the US government along with the American Medical Association is bilking our insurance companies as well as you and I personally out of BILLIONS of Dollars! Here is the scam. The USDA Food Pyramid recommends eating 6 to 11 daily servings from the bread, cereal, rice, and pasta group. Because this is the recommendation of the US Government, Americans are deceived into believing that these dietary recommendations are actually healthy. I am telling you that this type of diet is 100% responsible for American's astronomical problem with obesity, diabetes (and other blood sugar disorders), hypertension, and cardiovascular disease. Even farmers use high carbohydrate diets to

rapidly fatten cattle to prepare them for slaughter. It's ironic that our government is using this same technique on Americans, ie., The USDA Food Pyramid - eat 6 to 11 servings of starchy carbohydrates daily to fatten you up (diabetes hypertension, obesity, cardiovascular disease, etc...) to prepare you for slaughter (surgery, open heart, angioplasty, removal of extremities, bypass, etc...)!

It is no coincidence that America, the number one wheat-producing nation in the world, also recommends consuming 6 to 11 servings of wheat derived products every day. This type of health debilitating

dietary practice will also ensure that the most powerful lobbing group in the world, the AMA, will always have an overabundance of patients.

Meticulous documentation of over 3,000 VNS FAT ASSAULT clients indicates that when the amount of protein ingested either exceeds or is equal to the amount of carbohydrate, the severity of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, high triglycerides/cholesterol begin to lessen and often totally disappear.
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Part 4

From the Protein Factory

THE BIG FAKE

The other day I received a free issue of "PUMP" magazine. Having shifted through all the girlie pics, I came across an ad of whey protein. This ad claimed the company had made an advancement in whey protein technology and now was manufacturing something called "CROSS-FLOW QUADRAFILTRATION" or whatever. I just had to laugh. Seems like a spin off of Cross-Flow Microfiltration. They claimed this process can isolate more protein subfractions, but seemed to have left out exactly what were those measurements. So is this ad BS, yep and let me explain how. Whey protein is manufactured at huge plants. I'm not talking about some 2 million dollar company, these plants that make whey protein are well valued at over 100 million dollars. The one company where I purchase our ion-exchange whey isolate spent over 20 years perfecting the technology. Now you're going to tell me that some company that can't even afford a full page ad in PUMP, manufactures the whey with this new process, NOT.

There are basically 3 ways to manufacture whey protein ion-exchange, micofiltration, and ultrafiltration, anything else is bullshit. Remember though, you have your different stages of each of these processes, first diafiltration, which separtes the whey from the garbage. Concentration, which makes the protein 35% to 85% protein. Isolation, which must be ABOVE 90%, (unlike the misinformed PUMP article). And lastly hydrolyzing. What the supplement companies try to do is this. Imagine if you were a farmer selling apples on the side of a road with about 10 other farmers selling apples. You have to find a way to make your apples sound better than the next guy right next to you. So you claim your apples are crispier, redder etc. do this well enough and you'll sell your apples better than the next guy. The same goes for whey protein, make your whey sound better, even though your selling the same thing.

To clear things up, I went out and looked at some of the top selling whey proteins and tried to figure out (through all the science mumbo-jumbo) what kind of whey protein they use.



Sport Pharma

Simple whey protein concentrate, I couldn't tell what kind of process because it stated on the label "Specially Filtered", which could mean nothing. It also labeled ion-exchange whey isolate next, but after calculating the protein % at a low 74%, I can guess it contains about nil isolate.



Precision

Ultafiltration and ion-exchange whey isolate. If it claims what the label states it a good protein. BUT, when precision protein first came out in Feb of 1998, I think it contained CFM whey isolate, then it somehow disappeared from the list of ingredients. I have the article in Muscle Media touting it as a high containing protein sub-fraction protein. Yes, if it did contain CFM, but not now. CFM has the highest concentration of protein sub-fractions, you cannot add protein subfractions. Here's my theory. I remember when the Precision Protein sold for like $29.99 at discount supplement dealers. Sales slumped because the price was too high, so to lower the price they had to remove the CFM whey isolate.



Designer Protein

Back in 1996 Designer listed on their label Hydrolyzed whey protein concentrate as their first ingredient. They have since changed. They now label it ion-exchange whey protein concentrate. Designers label is very hard to read. But to clear things up what whey peptides are is that they come from hydrolzyed whey proteins. You cannot buy from the manufactures whey peptides. You can buy specific whey peptides, like glutamine peptides, etc. But the only source of whey peptides comes from Hydrolyzed whey protein.



AST

This one takes the cream of the crop. I dont care how much sweetener you ad to a REAL hydrolyzed whey protein, its still undrinkable. Aspartame only gets so sweet. Well, I wont go on about this one anymore because, well just because.



Optimum

Whey protein concentrate. They dont list what kind of process, but instead list that it provides peptides. It also lists ion-exchange whey isolate, and hydrolyzed whey isolate. But the protein % is only 74%, very similiar to Sportpharma. I wouldnt be surprised if these two proteins came from the same blending facility



Life Extension CFM whey isolate

This is a good quality protein. But too bad the dumb asses mislabeled their protein and tried to make it sound better than it really is. From reading this site you should know that when you add flavoring the protein % drops. So how does the LEF protein contain 18 grams of protein in a 20 grams serving size, because that equals 90%. Which is the max protein % of CFM whey isolate. Good protein though.



Betastatin

THis isnt a protein but an MRP, but alot of people have been asking me about it. First of all, the company is ex-cybergenics, that puts up a red flag already. If you dont believe me look where they are located...and Im also right around the corner from them. The company is also know as Prosource, the mail order company. From reading this site you should know that you can either use CFM or ultrafiltration, not both, they use like a backslash so its hard to tell. The second ingredient is hydrolyzed whey peptides, sort of makes sense (good try guys). I dont believe they use hydrolyzed whey though. I dont understand why they had to put in WPC though, probably for mainly cost. They dont tell you what kind of WPC. I wouldnt buy this product, period.



Pro-Fusion

Nothing makes me laugh harder when a company advertises that WPC is higher quality than WPI. Total Joke!!The only good thing about this product is that the company that owns this line of product puts Tylene Buck in a bikini the size of 3 tissues.







HYDROLYZED WHEY PROTEIN AND THEIR FRIEND THE PEPTIDE

A couple years back, before the Protein Factory had any customers, I would troll the newsgroups and messages boards posting messages about the differences of whey protein concentrate and whey protein isolate. I would post how to find the "Protein Percentage" of a protein and what to look for. It was a great success. But since then, whey isolate powders have flooded the market. Well, this time I'm not going to make it so easy on my supplement companies enemies. I am creating a new measurement to judge the quality of a whey protein, most particularly, the weight of their peptide content. Dont worry its easy to explain.

FACT: SMALLER DI AND TRI PEPTIDES ARE FASTER ABSORBED AND PRODUCE A BETTER PHARMACUETICAL EFFECT THAN FREE-FORM AMINO ACIDS AND LARGER PEPTIDES.

Hydrolyzing any protein is the only way to produce peptides. Whey protein in particular is famous for being a hydrolyzed product. The manufacturers of whey protein hydrolyze their whey protein to give it the title "Hydrolyzed whey protein"

Ever look on the back of say.. the #1 selling whey protein powder on the market..starts with a "D". You'll see the list of ingredients. Now scroll down the list of ingredients, you'll start to see stuff like this.."B-lactoglobin ( MW 50,000 D). Did you ever wonder what the hell that means. Yea ME TOO. Well let me explain.

Whey protein concentrate (CONCENTRATE, remember that) is made up of protein sub-fractions. These subfractions are naturally occuring and require no special process to add, even though some supplement companies make it seem like they add them by listing them in their ingredients, they dont it's bullshit. These sub-fractions are as follows:

45% Beta-lactoglobulin ( MW 20,000-50,00 dalton)

20% lactalbumin ( MW 10,000-20,000 dalton)

20% Proteose Peptones ( MW 1,000-5,000 dalton)

10% immunoglobulins ( MW >100,000 daltons)

5% serum albumin (MW 50,000-100,000 daltons)

Now those numbers on the right of the protein subfractions are its molecular weight (MW). The Molecular weight is the actual weight of the protein sub-fraction measured in Daltons. These numbers represent the average ion-exchange whey protein concentrate. The greater the number, the more free-form amino acids and LESS smaller peptides the product contains. Thus, larger numbers are bad (most similar to whole foods), Smaller numbers are good (small di and tri peptides). The average molecular weight of a half- way descent whey protein concentrate geared towards bodybuilders is approximatley 20,000 Daltons. Hydrolyzed whey The number one reason to hydrolyzed a whey protein is to bring the MW down, thus making it more digestible. Hydrolyzed whey protein can be manufactured toward different levels of molecular weight. Some can average a molecular weight of 5,000, while higher quality and more expensive hydrolyzed whey protein averages a molecular weight of 500.

LETS COMPARE

Whey Protein Concentrate .......Percentage ...............Hydrolyzed Whey Percentage

>20,000 Daltons 15.67 >20,000 .73

10,000-20,000 62 10,000-20,000 1.49

5,000-10,000 5.66 5,000-10,000 1.91

2,000-5,000 13.25 2,000-5,000 7.35

<2,000 3.43 1,000-2,000 15.41

500-1,000 none 500-1,000 16.72

<500 none <500 56.39

As you can see, WPC averages a much higher MW than a hydrolyzed whey. Keep in mind that even though this particular hydrolyzed whey has an average MW of 520, some hydrolylzed whey powders can average higher. The Key is to make sure the supplement company that claims to use a hydrolyzed whey uses one with a low MW.



IMPORTANT: A good hydrolzyed whey protein will have an average molecular weight of approximately 500 daltons.

Now, say I own a supplement company and I want to make the protein more digestible and faster absorbing. What do I do, right, add hydrolyzed whey protein. Now if I wanted to rip people off I would claim to add whey peptides (which in fact are faster absorbing). But instead of buying a hydrolyzed whey with a MW of 500 Daltons (expensive to buy), I would buy a hydrolyzed whey with no concern for MW, just as long as it had some degree of hydrolysis.



Degrees of Hydrolysis

When a manufacturer makes a hydrolyzed whey protein, the powder can range from 5% hydrolyzed to approximately 30% hydrolyzed. There is no such thing as a 100% hydrolyzed whey protein. (As much as one company likes to think so AS@, and their product VP#) The more hydrolyzed a whey powder is, the more bitter it will taste! Yes the worse tasting powders are the best.



AN/TN

Pay attention because this is the key to hydrolyzed whey. AN/TN stands for amino nitrogen over total nitrogen. The higher this number is the better. Why? Amino nitrogen over total nitrogen represents the actually number of whey peptides percentage in the hydrolyzed whey product. The Protein Factory will be the first company to state what the amino nitrogen over total nitrogen is of their hydrolyzed whey powder.



Weeding out the Fakes

Take a look at the "#1 selling protein whey powder that starts with a "D". If my eyes dont lie to me I see a MW of 1,000,000. Yes 1,000,000. How the HELL do they get 1,000,000. When I first saw this I was amazed and shocked how stupid this company is. This product is as far as containing a whey peptide as my chances are of marrying Pamela Anderson. Thus, to determine a good hydrolyzed whey protein, call up the supplement companies and ask them what the amino nitrogen over total nitrogen % is and the average MW. Good Luck, I guarantee you never get a answer, just a "what the hell is this guy talking about!". The Protein Factory will offer 2 hydrolyzed products. A hydrolyzed whey isolate and a hydrolyzed whey concentrate. Keep this in mind, the hydrolyzed whey CONCENTRATE will have a higher content of peptides, even though the protein % is lower. The hydrolyzed whey concentrate is being specially manufactured for us. THe product will be available in 6 weeks.

Good Luck

Alex Rogers

Owner



I finally got off my ass and called these guys. Now I am totally impressed with what this company does. They took the time and answered all my questions, helped me place my order. I was honest with them when I told them of my training regimine, what "supplements" I was taking and was very vocal about what goals I wanted to obtain. The prices are very fair and blow away any supplement company prices. You are getting pure protein and not a lot of garbage. Learned that some of the name brand proteins are selling you nothing but a fancy label and the muscle rags that pimp them, are getting a percentage. Give them a try, you wonít be disappointed. Tell them you saw the article in the Vae Victus.
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