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Old 04-13-2017, 10:15 PM
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On the bodybuilding side of things, I have had good results from the ranges you have. It seams like legs like higher reps, back and chest around 6 to 10, but that could be because my arms wear down faster...not sure. I always like 10 to 15 for arms and delts although I do go heavier at times. I am sure I could not handle that much volume as I usually did a total of 8 sets. That being said I have never had too hard a time putting on weight. I tend to eat and train less then my comrads and make as good or better progress.

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Hawk, I have a web page I think you will like:

https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/

Chris Beardsley has put all of this together and under "muscles" you can see an extensive write up of every muscle in the body. Particularly interesting si the fiber type make up. I was shocked that the leg typically has almost a 50/50 split in type I and type II fibers. Which accounts for the higher reps we both do causing better growth.

I have totally retire from powerlifting and very recently retired as a strength coach/football coach. So I will probably not be training athletes any longer. I am now teaching college part time and teach weight training and the introduction to fitness and exercise. So I cover more of the recreational end while most in the weight training are more interested in bodybuilding type exercises. The females in that class all want to be bikini models. So I am having to totally change what I know. Bikini division training is no where the same as bodybuilding. But so far I am having great results and all the kids are happy with the changes they are seeing this semester.
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Old 04-13-2017, 10:45 PM
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Hawk, I have a web page I think you will like:

https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/

Chris Beardsley has put all of this together and under "muscles" you can see an extensive write up of every muscle in the body. Particularly interesting si the fiber type make up. I was shocked that the leg typically has almost a 50/50 split in type I and type II fibers. Which accounts for the higher reps we both do causing better growth.

I have totally retire from powerlifting and very recently retired as a strength coach/football coach. So I will probably not be training athletes any longer. I am now teaching college part time and teach weight training and the introduction to fitness and exercise. So I cover more of the recreational end while most in the weight training are more interested in bodybuilding type exercises. The females in that class all want to be bikini models. So I am having to totally change what I know. Bikini division training is no where the same as bodybuilding. But so far I am having great results and all the kids are happy with the changes they are seeing this semester.
Thanks for the link, I will check it out and report back. I'm always looking for some solid research with practical application. I am of the mind set that there is always something new to learn.

Talk about a change of professional focus. You must like a challenge! LOL. Bodybuilding and females at that...bodybuilding/figure/bikini is so full of mysticism and irrational thinking that you have an uphill battle. Subjectivity vs objectivity and so on. I admire your spirit! I have competed twice which in bbing terms means I'm in the inner circle locally and know most of the local competitors.

But, even though I did pretty well I enjoyed the transition to Pling where I could win even if I didn't take my class. And It came down to numbers and performance. I could not imagine going the other way besides trying to inject some science into a sport that revolves around idols IMHO. I would enjoy hearing some tales of the challenges and misconceptions and how you have dealt with them as one who deals with that same world on a daily basis.

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I just had this conversation with some 30 something old young bucks at the gym today. They were asking about my shoulder rehab and then asked about other injuries. After I rattled off pec tears, hernias, shoulders and knees I basically closed it with the fact that now I lift for the pump and not the weight. I still weigh 250 lbs, maybe a little more flab than in my prime but even that is not out of reach if I wanted it. I just realized that I don't have to lift full blown comando any more to get where I want to be. I feel better when I leave too....

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I just had this conversation with some 30 something old young bucks at the gym today. They were asking about my shoulder rehab and then asked about other injuries. After I rattled off pec tears, hernias, shoulders and knees I basically closed it with the fact that now I lift for the pump and not the weight. I still weigh 250 lbs, maybe a little more flab than in my prime but even that is not out of reach if I wanted it. I just realized that I don't have to lift full blown comando any more to get where I want to be. I feel better when I leave too....

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I am pretty sure that lifting full commando was needed even when we could lol. More can be less I have come to believe. Even if it took me over a decade to realize it.

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I'm 51. As many of you know I have faced down some serious barriers to most triumphantly!!!
I alternate from med hey to heavier... I have always believed in training my whole body in my workout and specializing on second workout of the day, maybe.
I also have believed that enduring strength is better than strength or endurance alone. So I have sought to lift as heavy as possible and still get 8 to 10 reps in in this range I find it safer for my joints my bones everything, I promise you won't turn your nose up to look like I do when you're 51!!
I mean that with all humility.
With all seriousness and insight I have to say I don't think I have really brought it yet...
I think up to this point I've been just practicing for today!! And yes I'm tired and sometimes it's a little bit uncomfortable but I love being pumped up, I love being large I love turning heads. I love this shit
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I'm 59, and like all us with those numbers on our badge, we each have faced injuries

What's funny is that reading this, I seem to have done the same thing with my training as with everythingin life, research, try, take what works for me and move on...
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What an amazing topic. It really is odd to remember thinking I would never change anything to ...damn....its probably that thinking that lead to now when Im in the gym just wishing I could tell the younger guys whats coming if they keep up what they are doing but if they were anything like I was, I wouldnt have listened to me either.

Despite years of trying to keep them in the routine, sadly, bench and squats were buried for me as well. Certainly not because of desire, but simply due to backs and knees not cooperating like they once did. Of course there was the period where my mind said yes, but for the next week or month perhaps, my body said...you fuc**** idiot.
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Great thread.

Let me start by saying that Trip was the only person who posted an age higher than mine, and it's not higher by much.

Secondly.....the post title. Offensive to older guys! Refuse to accept my age? No. I'm a young guy trapped in an older body that now has some age-related physical limitations.

I have had some pretty catastrophic injuries over the years from work which limit what I can do in the gym, and some other age-related types of things as well. My goals have changed from wanting to be the biggest and baddest (but lacking the genetics, dammit) to wanting to have a good level of overall fitness and looking better with my shirt off than 99.9% of the people my age, and 90% of the ones younger than me. As many others have stated, that means lower weights and higher reps, as well as more cardio than in the past. The only "supplement" I currently use is a relatively low level of testosterone cream prescribed by my doctor.

Yesterday I met with two people, brothers, who I grew up with. We hadn't seen each other in at least 30 years. Every time something like this happens I'm almost always startled, and have to ask myself, "My God, do I look that old?" And the answer is NO. And it's an ego boost when they, as well as a 40-year-old I'd never met before, are clearly amazed at how I look and how big I am (I'm not that big, but certainly big for my age) and go out of their way to say so. I can only attribute this to a not-that-strict weightlifting/bodybuilding/fitness lifestyle. And while this says a lot about my vanity, it's what keeps me going to the gym and working hard.

And let's not forget the 71-year-old powerlifter I spotted the other day benching 375# (thread in the powerlifting section). That was very inspiring to me.

So I will continue to refuse to "accept my age" with my "gym bros" (also offensive, I don't hang with "bros" here in OC, ground zero for bros (I'm looking at you, HB!)), will continue to smartly adjust my routines to accommodate increasing limitations while I age, and I will also continue to look better than 99.9% of people my age and 90% of the rest.

Kids today. Sheesh!
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