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Diesel engine

Got got gotta have a diesel engine. Well you really dont but it can't be beat for usage and availability.

Im not an expert on chemistry and whatnot but most of us know that diesels can run on different fuels including vegetable oil IF its not too dirty and if the viscosity isnt too high. So people have done various things to say waste vegetable oil from mcdonalds deep friers, filtered it, and then install an oil heater in their vehicle to "thin out" the oil so it burns and doesn't clog. Sure, using waste vegetable oils smells like french fries but thats a bonus in my book.

Im no expert on this but run properly, people have used fresh vegetable oil in diesels. Its more expensive than running diesel fuel but for availability and making your own fuel, it cant be beat.

Im no expert here but for the shtf senarios and bugging in, having a diesel vehicle or generator is a plus in my book. Talk amongst yourselves....

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You could do this with many kinds of oil on older non turbo indirect injection diesels as the lanolin in oils will clog them up pretty quick. New diesels have the ability and could run veggie oil but the glycerin and lanolin gun up high pressure low volume injectors.

The best are the old 70s and 80s diesels mercedes made those old 5 cylinder turbo diesels that could go 1 million miles but took 20 seconds to get to 60 mph HAHAHA
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You could do this with many kinds of oil on older non turbo indirect injection diesels as the lanolin in oils will clog them up pretty quick. New diesels have the ability and could run veggie oil but the glycerin and lanolin gun up high pressure low volume injectors.

The best are the old 70s and 80s diesels mercedes made those old 5 cylinder turbo diesels that could go 1 million miles but took 20 seconds to get to 60 mph HAHAHA
You know your diesels a lot better than me. Ive heard some military vehicles will eat whatever you throw in them.

Wanna hear something awesome? The transformer box things that you see on telephone poles, most all of them are filled with type 1 diesel! So you have a ready made storage supply sitting up there that you can tap into when you need fuel. I saw this on a prepper show. A couple of old timers shot one with a. 22 and had a tarp catchment set up underneath it. And yup, it powered their diesel just fine.
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The engines in the old deuce and a halfs could run different fuels.


From Steel Soldiers forum...

You can burn ALOT of stuff in the M35A2...

• If the vehicle’s fuel density compensator is bypassed, the vehicle must be refueled
with diesel fuel only, and the fuel tank must be clearly stenciled DIESEL FUEL
ONLY. If the fuel density compensator is bypassed and fuel other than diesel fuel
is used, the engine will not run properly.
• Primary fuels listed in table 15 must be used whenever possible. If primary fuels
are not available, alternate fuels should be used in the following order (i.e., from
FUEL LOWER TEMPERATURE LIMIT
(DO NOT USE BELOW THIS TEMPERATURE)
Primary Fuels
Diesel fuel, VV-F-800, grade DF-2
(NATO code no. F-54) +32 °F (0 °C)
Diesel fuel, VV-F-800, grade DF-1
(NATO code no. F-54) -10 °F (-23 °C)
Diesel fuel, VV-F-800, grade DF-A
(NATO code no. F-54) Can be used at all temperatures.
Alternate I Fuels
Turbine fuel, MIL-T-5624, grade JP-5
(NATO code no. F-44) -51 °F (-46 °C)
Distillate fuel, MIL-F-24397, ND
(NATO code no. F-85) +40 °F (+4 °C)
Commercial diesel fuel
(ASTM D975) 2-D and no. 2 +32 °F (0 °C)
Diesel fuel, MIL-F-16884
(NATO code no. F-75 or F-76) +15 °F (-9 °C)
Commercial diesel fuel
(ASTM D975) 1-D and no. 1 -10 °F (-23 °C)
Turbine fuel, aviation,
MIL-T-38219 grade JP-7 -46 °F (-43 °C)
Turbine fuel, aviation, kerosene type,
MIL-T-83133, grade JP-8
(NATO code no. F-34)
-58 °F (-50 °C)
Aviation gasoline, MIL-G-5572, AVGAS 80/87
(NATO code no. F-12) -76 °F (-60 °C)
Commercial aviation gasoline
(ASTM D910) grade 80/70 -72 °F (-58 °C)
Commercial gasoline, leaded, low lead or
unleaded, when research octane number is 89 or
below, or octane number displayed on retail
gasoline pumps in CONUS is 85 or below
*
Commercial aviation turbine fuel
(ASTM D1655), jet A -40 °F (-40 °C)
Commercial aviation turbine fuel
(ASTM D1655), jet A-1 -52 °F (-47 °C)
Any mixture of primary and/or
alternate I fuels listed above. *
Table 15. Permissible Fuels.

Never mix gasoline or JP-4 turbine fuel with other fuels outside vehicle fuel tank;
gasoline and JP-4 turbine fuel are highly combustible and may explode, resulting
in injury or death to personnel. Mixing must be done only by adding fuels to fuel tank.
CAUTION
If engine runs rough when using an alternate II fuel, add 10%–30% diesel fuel to smooth
engine performance. Failure to add diesel fuel may result in piston damage.
Table 15. Permissible Fuels (Contd).
FUEL LOWER TEMPERATURE LIMIT
(DO NOT USE BELOW THIS TEMPERATURE)
Alternate II Fuels
Turbine fuel, MIL-T-5624, grade JP-4
(NATO code no. F-40) -72 °F (-58 °C)
Turbine fuel, aviation, naphtha-type
(ASTM D1655), jet B -58 °F (-50 °C)
Gasoline, unleaded/low-leaded,
VV-G-001690, special grade (91/82) *
Combat gasoline, MIL-G-3056, MOGAS
(NATO code no. F-46) 0 °F (-18 °C)
Gasoline, automotive
(NATO code no. F-50) *
Gasoline, W-G-76, regular and
premium grades *
Gasoline, unleaded/low-leaded,
VV-G-001690, regular and premium grades *
Aviation gasoline, MIL-G-5572, AVGAS 100/300
(NATO code no. F-1 -75 °F (-59 °C)
Commercial aviation gasoline
(ASTM D910), grade 100/130 -72 °F (-58 °C)
Commercial gasoline (ASTM D439), leaded, lowlead,
or unleaded, where research octane number
is above 90, or octane number displayed on retail
gasoline pumps in CONUS is above 86
*
Any mixture of alternate II with primary,
alternate I, and/or alternate II fuels listed above *
Emergency Fuels
Burner fuel oil, VV-F-815, grade FO-1 0 °F (-18 °C)
Burner fuel oil, VV-F-815, grade FO-2 20 °F (-7 °C)
Commercial burner fuel oil
(ASTM D396), grade FO-1 0 °F (-18 °C)
Commercial burner fuel oil
(ASTM D396), grade FO-2 20 °F (-7 °C)
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Great info Viking. I was trying to remember the names of those.
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Diesel fuel is nothing much more than filtered home heating oil with a different color dye in it. I run my diesel heavy equipment on it working out back, just don't get caught running it in on road vehicles.

A good thing to remember in case of an apocalypse or such, ready fuel available in household oil tanks to run all your diesel engines. An inline filter is a good idea, hho is pretty dirty.
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Diesel fuel is nothing much more than filtered home heating oil with a different color dye in it. I run my diesel heavy equipment on it working out back, just don't get caught running it in on road vehicles.

A good thing to remember in case of an apocalypse or such, ready fuel available in household oil tanks to run all your diesel engines. An inline filter is a good idea, hho is pretty dirty.
Home hating oil... Is that the same thing as kerosene?
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Home hating oil... Is that the same thing as kerosene?
I believe kero has a lower flash point and burns cleaner but that's about it.
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I believe kero has a lower flash point and burns cleaner but that's about it.
i do not know man. Another thing I remembered is if you have all the emission crap on your new diesel it will clog up REAL fast even if it could burn it it for say 1000 miles before failure. It is restrictive too. I guess that is why many guys remove it.

I guess if you have a newer diesel they make kits to make biofuel out veggie oil even if it is used and burnt. once processed it can be used without problems. (i think)
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i do not know man. Another thing I remembered is if you have all the emission crap on your new diesel it will clog up REAL fast even if it could burn it it for say 1000 miles before failure. It is restrictive too. I guess that is why many guys remove it.

I guess if you have a newer diesel they make kits to make biofuel out veggie oil even if it is used and burnt. once processed it can be used without problems. (i think)
I read the same about veggie oil. There was a guy going around and picking up used oil from restaurants deep fryers. He had a somewhat fancy filtering system and he had a heating element installed in his fuel system cause I guess veggie oil is too thick to run without it. I think I remember that you can always cut it by adding some other kind of fuel or ingredients.

Even though used oil is pretty much free, for me... not worth the hassle except in a shtf scenario. Then it would be golden.
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