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Post Cycle Therapy PCT and Post Cycle Therapy are used in bodybuilders after a bodybuilding steroid or prohromone cycle. Here you will find alternatives on different types of Post Cycle Therapy




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Old 04-23-2017, 07:31 PM
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A case for clomid and possibly some other additions

46 men were treated for up to 3 years with clomid. Clomid never felt like enough for me but I guys like us are looking for super charged. Yey I think Clomid can be a good component in a strategy that contains some other goodies if in fact it can keep endogenous production in the good range. I have seen some reports that use of a SERM with hCG can keep test in normal range with addition of SARMs. I have experimented with peptides + SERM+ SARM. This might be a decent strategy. The below information describes clomid only treatment with good results.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...2.10968.x/epdf

Treatment: Patients opting for CC with at least 12 months of follow-up
constituted the study population. Patients were commenced on CC 25 mg every other day and were titrated to 50 mg every other day based on the treatment serum T level. The target total T level was arbitrarily set at
550 ± 50 ng/dL.

Abstract:
BJU Int. 2012 Nov;110(10):1524-8. doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2012.10968.x. Epub 2012 Mar 28.
Clomiphene citrate is safe and effective for long-term management of hypogonadism.
Moskovic DJ1, Katz DJ, Akhavan A, Park K, Mulhall JP.
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OBJECTIVE:

To assess the efficacy and safety of long-term clomiphene citrate (CC) therapy in symptomatic patients with hypogonadism (HG).
PATIENTS AND METHODS:

Serum T, oestradiol and luteinizing hormone (LH) were measured in patients who were treated with CC for over 12 months. Additionally, bone densitometry (BD) results were collected for all patients. Demographic, comorbidity, treatment and Androgen Deficiency in Aging Men (ADAM) score data were also recorded. Comparison was made between baseline and post-treatment variables, and multivariable analysis was conducted to define predictors of successful response to CC. The main outcome measures were predictors of response and long-term results with long-term CC therapy in hypogonadal patients.
RESULTS:

The 46 patients (mean age 44 years) had baseline serum testosterone (T) levels of 228 ng/dL. Follow-up T levels were 612 ng/dL at 1 year, 562 ng/dL at 2 years, and 582 ng/dL at 3 years (P < 0.001). Mean femoral neck and lumbar spine BD scores improved significantly. ADAM scores (and responses) fell from a baseline of 7 to a nadir of 3 after 1 year. No adverse events were reported by any patients.
CONCLUSIONS:

Clomiphene citrate is an effective long-term therapy for HG in appropriate patients. The drug raises T levels substantially in addition to improving other manifestations of HG such as osteopenia/osteoporosis and ADAM symptoms.
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I tried clomid for a little while. I couldn't stand it, I felt sick all the time. It's like my head was swimming, constant motion sickness.
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Huh.. seems some people can't tolerate. Nolvadex works just as well.
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Neither seemed to bother me...
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clomid made me sad
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would nolvadex work the same?
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clomid made me sad
There was a paper around that seemed to say so but I couldn't find it again.
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