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Nolva and 19nor. its a no no but why?

ive heard it before and it is being said again here so here is my question. i went to research it a little and found no good research saying it was bad. here is what i found in summary.

1. Nolva can up-regulate Progesterone receptors for a short time (two weeks) but after it down regulates these same receptors. (i think this is the foundation of this school of thought)

2. there is no drug interaction between nolva and 19nors.

3. there is no effect on prolactin, negative or positive, by nolva and isnt this the big fear of 19nors because it is difficult to combat?


there were actually several or more discussions saying nolva and 19nors was a great idea


thoughts beyond "ive always heard it was bad"?

for most people "nolva and 19nor bad " is good enough for 99% but for
us lets get it just right.
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I've been burned more than once by mixing the two. There was no question. I was on deca or NPP and added in Nolva and it was like flipping a switch.
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I've been burned more than once by mixing the two. There was no question. I was on deca or NPP and added in Nolva and it was like flipping a switch.
what happened brother? gyno symptoms?
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Yup had gyno flares every time. Once it starts it takes weeks and weeks to calm down too.
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and yet i took nolva during cycle many years ago with deca andd test and never had a problem. everybody is different i guess. like i get emotional on just 25mg of clomid
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I would hypothesize that the reason some get the gyno flare and some don't when using the nolva on a 19nor PCT is because of wether or not the particular user has any protestin-type hormone of any quantity floating around in their system. If they have any at all, even a lower quantity than would normally be required to create a gyno flare on its own, the properties of nolva which up regulate the PR create a hyper sensitivity to even this small amount of progestins.

If you use both at once you probably didn't have any progestins in your system at all. Which is good.

It's one of those better safe than sorry situations to avoid nolva with the 19nors in my opinion.
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I would hypothesize that the reason some get the gyno flare and some don't when using the nolva on a 19nor PCT is because of wether or not the particular user has any protestin-type hormone of any quantity floating around in their system. If they have any at all, even a lower quantity than would normally be required to create a gyno flare on its own, the properties of nolva which up regulate the PR create a hyper sensitivity to even this small amount of progestins.

If you use both at once you probably didn't have any progestins in your system at all. Which is good.

It's one of those better safe than sorry situations to avoid nolva with the 19nors in my opinion.
yep my research found that nolva did indeed upregulate the progesterone receptors but only for a coupla of weeks. after that it down regulates them. wish we had more research that directly applied to our concerns. of course gyno is easier to prevent than get rid of. and with the long esters involved using nolva even for pct after a 19nor might be a no no. you would have to be very careful and end your 19nors weeks before your test, which is exactly what i did last time

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