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How do people dose liquid clomid for their lab rats? Aspiring veterinarians and researchers want to know!
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I've always continued to take it, but I don't get any of the sides that some others may get....well, outside of crying like an emotional bitch when watching movies. lol

I also agree with the lower dosings of 25mg ED to EOD. I keep it at 25-50mg ED/EOD personally for myself, and I never go higher than that. I also use mostly throughout the year too even when on.
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the rats seem best acclimated at 25 mg ED while on anabolics, they do h however, cry if I give then swiss instead of cheddar cheese..
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IMO people dose it too high and that's why all the sides. It's now used as an HRT at 25 mg/d and works well for some. Like a 50% increase in testosterone.
I went to a fertility Dr. and this is the way I was told to run clomid. We were trying to have a kid so they took me completely off the test. 25mgs of clomid ed along with HCG twice a week. Glycomann, Do you think it should be dosed the same way if you are coming off a regular 12-16 week cycle or would it be better to do the 300,100,50 mg taper?
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I went to a fertility Dr. and this is the way I was told to run clomid. We were trying to have a kid so they took me completely off the test. 25mgs of clomid ed along with HCG twice a week. Glycomann, Do you think it should be dosed the same way if you are coming off a regular 12-16 week cycle or would it be better to do the 300,100,50 mg taper?
I run the normal pct taper and return to low dose daily later.
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I went to a fertility Dr. and this is the way I was told to run clomid. We were trying to have a kid so they took me completely off the test. 25mgs of clomid ed along with HCG twice a week. Glycomann, Do you think it should be dosed the same way if you are coming off a regular 12-16 week cycle or would it be better to do the 300,100,50 mg taper?
Those doses are way way to high. My usual protocol coming off no matter what the cycle is pretty much..

1-3 hCG hCG 500 iu M-W-F
3-8 Clomid 25 mg/w

Taper off the AAS the last few weeks. If Ic an find good LR3 I like to add it in the first 3 weeks. I'm off 8 weeks now and just finished up the process. I have wood every morning. I'm sure I'm still somewhat suppressed but it literally takes me 4-6 months now to get into the 500-600 ng/dL range of total Test at my age so I just do 8 week off periods here and there to blow the nads back up and get them running again, sort of like starting up your Porsche in the garage every few months to keep life in it..Usually my nads are normal size in 3-4 weeks.
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I think that strategy to blast high doses of clomid the first few days or week is born of utter bro science. Probably of the likes of the big cat steroid profile days. MDs never prescribe that way. 25 Ed always worked for me with no sides other than loads a little big and messy.

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Int Braz J Urol. 2012 Jul-Aug;38(4):512-8.
Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene citrate presents positive effect on treatment of male testosterone deficiency - a prospective study.
Da Ros CT1, Averbeck MA.
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INTRODUCTION:

Male testosterone deficiency is associated with bad sexual function and quality of life (QoL). The aim of this study was to determine whether a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate (CC) is effective in stimulating the endogenous testosterone production pathway and to address the applicability of this medication as a therapeutic option for symptomatic hypogonadism.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:

This was a prospective study. Men with low sexual desire and testosterone levels (T) below 400 ng/dL were selected to receive CC. Blood samples were obtained to determine baseline measurements of serum T, estradiol, LH, lipid profile and fasting plasma glucose. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg CC for at least 3 months. Patients were asked if they experienced any side effects related to the use of CC and if they experienced any improvement in their sexual profile. Paired samples T-test was utilized to analyze responses to therapy.
RESULTS:

Our cohort consisted of 125 men with hypogonadism and low libido. Mean age was 62 years (± 11.1 years). Serum T levels ranged from 309 ng/dL (baseline, mean value) to 642 ng/dL (3 months after CC initiation, mean value) (p < 0.001). Serum cholesterol levels ranged from 197 to 186 mg/dL (p = 0.003). There were no statistically significant differences when comparing pre and post-treatment HDL-Cholesterol, triglycerides, fasting plasma glucose and prolactin. All men reported improvements in the post-treatment QoL scores. No serious adverse events were recorded.
CONCLUSIONS:

The CC was effective in stimulating the endogenous production of testosterone. A lower level of total cholesterol was verified after three months of treatment. This medication should be considered as a therapeutic option for some patients with symptomatic male testosterone deficiency.

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J Sex Med. 2005 Sep;2(5):716-21.
Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism.
Shabsigh A1, Kang Y, Shabsign R, Gonzalez M, Liberson G, Fisch H, Goluboff E.
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AIM:

Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio.
METHODS:

Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed.
RESULTS:

The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 +/- 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 +/- 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4-6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 +/- 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.
CONCLUSIONS:

Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.

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