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This is a badass ruger 9mm carbine

This is also a good price. This would make a great prepper gun.

It uses glock mags so if you have a glock 17 or 19 (maybe others that use these mags) it would be great. 30 round glock mags are dirt cheap.

Load this carbine with +P ammo and you will get bullet speeds up fairly close to 1500 fps. That makes the 9mm hit hard. That is an extra 200-300 fps over a pistol.

I have seen this on sale for $100 more than this price. Never this low.

Anyway this is at academy sports and outdoors nov 23-24th
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One of my fb friends who is a big time DT trainer, recently bought one of these because his wife can wield it much better than other things he has for her. He added some velcro to the stock and put a med kit and a SOF-T in the mag pouches he attached to the stock. His tests were very favorable!
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One of my fb friends who is a big time DT trainer, recently bought one of these because his wife can wield it much better than other things he has for her. He added some velcro to the stock and put a med kit and a SOF-T in the mag pouches he attached to the stock. His tests were very favorable!
I have not shot one but I did shoot the old ones from back in the 90s I think. It was a good carbine that had a weird harmonic in the stock that when fired it would hum. I shit you not. "BNNNNnnnnnn" for 1/2 a second every time you fire it.

this one is built olike the 10-22 (I do have one of those) They weigh about 7 pounds. A regular 5.56 ar is about 7-10 (9mm ARs normally weight more if I am not mistaken) depending on the gear on it. ARs tend to be forward heavy but the Ruger is very well balanced.

I want one but have a hipoint 995 carbine and do not need another pistol caliber carbine. The hipoint is pretty good. It's biggest drawback is proprietary mags which are expensive. And it is heavy.
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Maybe a stupid question, How are they for accuracy? Are the effective for hunting? From a prepper standpoint, I can see some benefits for carrying the same ammo and clips as your handgun.
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Purchase a few 28 round clips and your g2g. Its got to be fairly accurate for a defense or hunting weapon, maybe not snipping but it sure as shit looks like it works.
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Maybe a stupid question, How are they for accuracy? Are the effective for hunting? From a prepper standpoint, I can see some benefits for carrying the same ammo and clips as your handgun.
AS a hunting weapon it COULD probably take a small white tail at close range but I would rather have a rifle caliber. Fir sure rabbits smaller hogs at close range ect. They are super accurate and have almost zero recoil. There is a reason so many sub machine guns use 9mm ammo. But they are made for sport, swat, Israeli SM ect. (I want a MP5 or an uzi real bad but $$$$$$$$)

I would rather have a AR15 in 5.56 as my only prepper weapon. AR parts are common. mags are common. 5.56 and .223 are common. Greater range and ballistics with a rifle caliber.

A 9mm can be suppressed and still function. to get a sub sonic 5.56 and have your AR15 still cycle without an adjustable gas block would be difficult and maybe with one. subsonic .22 caliber bullet then makes the AR a badass looking .22 lr. If supressed give me the 9mm (Or a .300 BO AR)

The big benefit this carbine has it is a pistol caliber, it does not look scary to gun grabbers. You can have your 10 round mags you take to the gun range and people will think it is a camp carbine and then bust out your 30 round mags for the shit. Would make a great home defense weapon like Swellin said. +P ammo hits harder than +P .45 out of a pistol. And being a carbine gives superior accuracy/capacity over a pistol.
(I want a .45 apc carbine or what about a .357 mag!)

Just a cool ass piece to me. CHeaper than the beretta cx4, higher quality and lighter than the hipoint 995.
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AS a hunting weapon it COULD probably take a small white tail at close range but I would rather have a rifle caliber. Fir sure rabbits smaller hogs at close range ect. They are super accurate and have almost zero recoil. There is a reason so many sub machine guns use 9mm ammo. But they are made for sport, swat, Israeli SM ect. (I want a MP5 or an uzi real bad but $$$$$$$$)

I would rather have a AR15 in 5.56 as my only prepper weapon. AR parts are common. mags are common. 5.56 and .223 are common. Greater range and ballistics with a rifle caliber.

A 9mm can be suppressed and still function. to get a sub sonic 5.56 and have your AR15 still cycle without an adjustable gas block would be difficult and maybe with one. subsonic .22 caliber bullet then makes the AR a badass looking .22 lr. If supressed give me the 9mm (Or a .300 BO AR)

The big benefit this carbine has it is a pistol caliber, it does not look scary to gun grabbers. You can have your 10 round mags you take to the gun range and people will think it is a camp carbine and then bust out your 30 round mags for the shit. Would make a great home defense weapon like Swellin said. +P ammo hits harder than +P .45 out of a pistol. And being a carbine gives superior accuracy/capacity over a pistol.
(I want a .45 apc carbine or what about a .357 mag!)

Just a cool ass piece to me. CHeaper than the beretta cx4, higher quality and lighter than the hipoint 995.
Interesting. Thanks for the info. Love the prepper points with it.
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Interesting. Thanks for the info. Love the prepper points with it.
They are like tools for a mechanic. If there were one prepper rifle/carbine/pistol/shotgun that was good everywhere then that would be great. that is why you need on of all of them.

I am not buying a ford pick to road race but a ferrari cannot tow a trailer and you might need a big SUV or a van to carry a bunch of people.

same thing.
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Here is a link to an article by a DT guy about it. I have other DT folks' articles too.
As it turns out, this thing isn't in love with the Glock mags. It will run them, but it isn't as big a fan as it is of its own mags.

https://www.growingupguns.com/2018/1...efense-part-1/
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Let's just talk a minute about shooting live animals with subsonic loads.....it sucks.

I've shot quite a few animals with subsonic loads through various suppressed weapons, and I've shot a whole lot more with full power loads. Subsonics do not cause the catastrophic shut down of organs that full power loads do. Shot placement is incredibly important with subs. It has to hit an organ that shuts things down, or the animal boogies....and boogies...and boogies.

That tells me all I need to know about a defensive situation. Bring on the power!
Is there a place for subsonics, for your average homeowner/prepper...absolutely. But not as a defensive load.

I have an old style Ruger Deerfield 44 Mag, that is built like the 10/22. I have two, but one is an early production model/safe queen...just cause it's cool. The other went to a shop in Texas and they built a suppressor for it. I have a red dot on top, and a huge can on it. I have some 300gr subsonic handloads. I put this thing together just for wild hogs. Money wasted.
I'm not throwing off on using these loads and cans, I'm just saying that you should have realistic expectations and not throw money at something that won't work the way you want...unless you just want it.
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